Thread: Discussion of Whether China is Any Good or Not (Was: Mythbusting)

Originally Posted by Bennett Prescott

Tim, this is just getting ridiculous.

Bennett I'm glad you brought up Celestion, although everyone seemed to ignore it. Their quality seems to be top notch at least on the OEM products we purchase. Clearly if a manufacturer wants to maintain quality, they will ensure it, where ever they produce their products at. I just can't figure out if Tim posting above is asking for Chinese/etc. outsourced manufacturing from respected manufacturers or OEM speakers offered by Chinese/etc. suppliers. I would argue differently based on which source he is referring to. As far as OEMs for the professional PA market offered by Korean, Taiwanese, Russian, Chinese, and etc. brands; I would say I agree with Tim. If we are just talking about outsourcing... Then I would say otherwise.

Originally Posted by Tim Duffin

Thats the point. Nobody can. The land in which the loudspeaker parts reside does not matter, the people making it do. 80% of Chinese people have a sub 5th grade education. I guarantee that no graduate with a degree in materials science is making your speaker, its more than likely someone who can barely afford to eat, much less care AT ALL about what they are making. When you have employees who are nothing more than slaves, it is impossible to get them to consider such abstractions like the word "quality". Fun fact-- there is no direct translation in mandarin for the word "quality". That concept simply doesn't exist in China, much like the word "democracy."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...cience-reading
http://www.citymayors.com/features/cost_survey.html

I have moved this discussion from here to avoid polluting that thread any more with off topics.

Originally Posted by Bennett Prescott

I have moved this discussion from here to avoid polluting that thread any more with off topics.

Hah, that is probably a good thing

I think that some of you are missing the original point which is about Chinese products. Not products made by Chinese and supervised by western companies. Like EAW, JBL, Fane, Cellestion, Mackie.... They have their own factories doing their own products supervised buy their engineers. Those products have very strict QC.
But if we now take the rest few hundreds (if not thousands) of Chinese copy/paste companies, then the OP stands 99.99%.
IMO anyway.

Originally Posted by Marjan Milosevic

I think that some of you are missing the original point which is about Chinese products. Not products made by Chinese and supervised by western companies. Like EAW, JBL, Fane, Cellestion, Mackie.... They have their own factories doing their own products supervised buy their engineers. Those products have very strict QC.
But if we now take the rest few hundreds (if not thousands) of Chinese copy/paste companies, then the OP stands 99.99%.
IMO anyway.

+1/2 While I don't know about 99.99% that is an important distinction that few make.

As I have posted before China is on an evolutionary path that we (US) went through hundreds of years ago.

More recently I recall back when japan was the cheap factory for the west, and even the japanese rejected Japanese goods as inferior. Times change.

China is a very old country but their adventure in capitalism (actually a variant on capitalism) is only a decade or two old, really gaining traction after they got Hong Kong back from the UK (a 99 year lease that expired in 1997). It seem's they haven't embraced Hong kong's democratic principles as enthusiastically as capitalism. :-)

JR