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Re: X32 setup problems (Changed)

Billy Peiffer said:
Effect 3 setup for Mix Bus 16 Mix Bus 16 below is not assigned to LR
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None of the effect buses are ever assigned to LR, the signal goes from input channel sends to the bus, then from bus to any effect that has the bus as source, and from the effect it goes to the effect returns on layer 3. This is the standard setup, and what the mixer defaults to.
It is also possible to insert an effect in a bus, and in that case, the signal has to be routed onwards from the bus output, to LR or whatever, but this is not normal behaviour or use of effects 1 to 4, as these have effect returns.
 
Re: Wiki Manual

We created a page on the new Wiki here: X32 Tips and Tricks - Sound Wiki

This is not intended to be any sort of manual of any kind, as Per is working on with Behringer. The goal here is just to take the useful and informative posts out of this thread, and put them in an easily accessible, readable, and editable form. Reading through a single page for information will be much simpler than navigating through a few hundred.

The Wiki is currently open for new account creation. Any member can edit and post information. More information can be found in this blog post.
 
Re: AC and signal cable of whatever type

Andrew Prince said:
Hi Dan,

Apologies if someone has already got around to identifying and fixing this issue - I'm still back on page 274 of this thread, trying to catch up. But I thought I'd mention this line of thought:

Nobody so far has identified whether these dropouts using the X32 and S16's with CAT5e cable are either X32, S16 or cable related. What you really need is a way of inducing the pink noise / dropout...

Hope that at least makes you ponder. :)
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Hi Andrew,

Congrats on making your way through this gigantic thread! I did it, too, but it was only around 100 pages then. You will know a lot more by the time you get to this page.

Yes, I have indeed been pondering and pondering, and doing my best to get other people involved to help explain what is going on. We'll be spending 6 hours or so as a group trying to figure it out on June 1: notice here The Pacific Northwest Section of the Audio Engineering Society - Devoted to the Art and Science of Audio

Curiosity about your current reading sent me back to page 274; reading a few pages got me exercised all over again :x~:-x~:mad: :cry: :?~:-?~:???: :)~:)~:smile:

Good luck,
Dan
 
Re: AC and signal cable of whatever type

Andrew Prince said:
Hi Dan,

Apologies if someone has already got around to identifying and fixing this issue - I'm still back on page 274 of this thread, trying to catch up. But I thought I'd mention this line of thought:

Nobody so far has identified whether these dropouts using the X32 and S16's with CAT5e cable are either X32, S16 or cable related. What you really need is a way of inducing the pink noise / dropout. I would suggest using a VERY long CAT5e cable to reproduce it. I think the cable and hardware are certified for 300 feet so why not try linking several and making it 500 feet or more? That's beyond spec and hence should be unstable. Therefore you will have just replicated an unstable cable run.

If it is unstable, you will be able to hear the dropouts and record them. If they sound just like your intermittent issue, then you've identified that it's a cable issue, not the X32 or S16. What's more, a highly unstable cable might be much more inclined to fault when you do the stamp, twist and bend test.

Hope that at least makes you ponder. :)
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No, it's not quite that straight forward unfortunately.
What you are doing here is reproducing the symptom, not necessarily the fault. There is a subtle but important difference.

Darren
 
Re: Scene File for Per

Billy Peiffer said:
Here try this you will have to change the name I'm sure. :)
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Hello Billy.

I´m have looked at your scenfile and I agree with Per. Switch on L/R on every channel and switch off L/R on the mixbuses (Auxes) thats used for effects.
Then send signal from the channels to your effects.
If you used a analog mixer then think of channel master as a send direct to L/R or via a subgrup. Then use the Aux send (mixbus) to send signal to monitors and effects.

Hope I´m helping!

Gunnar
 
Re: Scene File for Per

Billy Peiffer said:
Here try this you will have to change the name I'm sure. :)
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I can't see why you wouldn't have any effects from the effects return and I certainly can't see how you would have anything but the dry signals coming out of the buses 13-16 going to LR.
My only guess is that something has happened (the aneurism territory I have been mentioning) and that a full reset and reloading the scene might make things different.

Gunnar: Using subgroups for the channels instead of going straight to LR should not affect the effects, and is a matter of preference, not right or wrong in any way.
 
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Re: Scene File for Per

Gunner thanks for having a look! I am really confused now. If I switch on every channel won't that interfere with my Sub Mixes? Switching on the Kick would mean that the Kick would be double bussed VIA the channel itself and the Sub Group Drum Fader. Am I missing this entirely?
 
Re: Scene File for Per

Billy Peiffer said:
Gunner thanks for having a look! I am really confused now. If I switch on every channel won't that interfere with my Sub Mixes? Switching on the Kick would mean that the Kick would be double bussed VIA the channel itself and the Sub Group Drum Fader. Am I missing this entirely?
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You are right, and you are absolutely fine the way you are, you are correctly set up for submixes
 
Re: Scene File for Per

Per Søvik said:
I can't see why you wouldn't have any effects from the effects return and I certainly can't see how you would have anything but the dry signals coming out of the buses 13-16 going to LR.
My only guess is that something has happened (the aneurism territory I have been mentioning) and that a full reset and reloading the scene might make things different.

Gunnar: Using subgroups for the channels instead of going straight to LR should not affect the effects, and is a matter of preference, not right or wrong in any way.
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Sorry Billy. Didn´t think all the way. But Still I think the L/R on mixbuses 13-16 should be off.

Per: I can´t find a swedish translation for the "aneurism" word. Can you explain it for me?
 
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Re: Scene File for Per

Ok guys I think we are getting it sorted out! I do Thank You all for your help. I will go back to the Desk tomorrow and let you know how it's going!!!

Gunner, Per just means that there might have been a glitch in the desk. :)
 
Re: Scene File for Per

Gunnar Åkerlund said:
Sorry Billy. Didn´t think all the way. But Still I think the L/R on mixbuses 13-16 should be off.

Per: I can´t find a swedish translation for the "aneurism" word. Can you explain it for me?
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Well, first of all, I realize that I have been misspelling this word since forever, it is spelled aneurysm. Aneurysm is of course not the precise medical term for the kind of cerebral aneurism that I'm referring to, since an aneurism is whenever an artery blows up like a balloon, wherever in the body that might be. The term "I'm having an aneurysm" is sometimes (jokingly) used about something that gives you an acute strong headache, pain or migraine, which can be a symptom if this severe condition. The swedish term would have to be hjärnaneurysm.
What I'm saying is that "Trying to figure this out is giving me a cerebral aneurysm, a brain tumor or something equally bad, so I prefer to leave it alone." ;)~;-)~:wink:
 
Re: Scene File for Per

Per Søvik said:
Well, first of all, I realize that I have been misspelling this word since forever, it is spelled aneurysm. Aneurysm is of course not the precise medical term for the kind of cerebral aneurism that I'm referring to, since an aneurism is whenever an artery blows up like a balloon, wherever in the body that might be. The term "I'm having an aneurysm" is sometimes (jokingly) used about something that gives you an acute strong headache, pain or migraine, which can be a symptom if this severe condition. The swedish term would have to be hjärnaneurysm.
What I'm saying is that "Trying to figure this out is giving me a cerebral aneurysm, a brain tumor or something equally bad, so I prefer to leave it alone." ;)~;-)~:wink:
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This is exactly the symptoms I had this weekend.:)~:)~:smile:
 
Re: Scene File for Per

Billy Peiffer said:
Ok guys I think we are getting it sorted out! I do Thank You all for your help. I will go back to the Desk tomorrow and let you know how it's going!!!

Gunner, Per just means that there might have been a glitch in the desk. :)
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I don't know if the glitch is in the desk or in the user, but there is definitely funny stuff going on that I don't understand or have yet to figure out. :)~:)~:smile:
One possible cause:
The sends from effect returns are post fader by default, and there might be a problem if this is changed. It could possibly be that (all or some of) the other tap points actually don't exist even if it is possible to select them. This theory doesn't really tally with the possibility to change the send tap points globally, if my theory was correct then a lot of users would be affected a lot of the time. I'll try and have a look at the desk and try to figure out what actually brings on this behaviour.
 
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