X32 Discussion

Re: W16 monitor output routing

Paul Johnson said:
I've just got my P16ms, and connected to the X32, they do exactly what I expected - I can set the direct outs and they appear on the 16 buttons - BUT the P16, when connected to the S16, has the S16 outputs mirrored on thew P16 - NOT the direct channels from the X32? It has to be something stupid I'm doing. Any clues? Cheers. Paul
(I've routed the S16 AES50 A output to the channels 33-48 - but the P16 still hears the output channels, not the X32 channels)
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I don't really understand your explanation of your setup and what you have done, but assuming you have routed P16 to AES50-A 33-48 in the console as per default, and you have routed direct outs to P16, then that is what will appear on the P16 out at the S16, providing your S16 is in mode 1,2 or 3.
If the S16 is in mode 4,5 or 6 (splitter mode) the P16 out will mirror the inputs of the S16.
 
Re: W16 monitor output routing

Dear Paul,

It appears you are assigning the AES50-A Outputs 33-48 to be, essentially, the S16's inputs (AES50-A 1-16). Change the AES50-A Outputs 33-40, 41-48 to P16 1-8, P16 9-16. Feel free to PM me if this doesn't solve your issue!

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,

Chase McKnight
Jr. Admin, CARE
MUSIC Group
 
Re: W16 monitor output routing

I've got the monitors routed in the X32 as I need, and the P16 output on the X32 functions as expected. However, the S16 output to the P16m simply mirrors the outs on the front. In my case, the stereo left and right, plus the bus 1-4 sends I use for monitors - so I get activity on the P16m indicators on 1,2,3,4,15,16 - NOT the direct outs set on the X32 P16 routing display. I've checked the AES50-A routing, and the right hand two columns say P16 1-8 and P16 9-16, as indicated in the manual - they just don't change on the P16m, which carries on mirroring the outputs.
 
Re: W16 monitor output routing

Paul Johnson said:
I've got the monitors routed in the X32 as I need, and the P16 output on the X32 functions as expected. However, the S16 output to the P16m simply mirrors the outs on the front. In my case, the stereo left and right, plus the bus 1-4 sends I use for monitors - so I get activity on the P16m indicators on 1,2,3,4,15,16 - NOT the direct outs set on the X32 P16 routing display. I've checked the AES50-A routing, and the right hand two columns say P16 1-8 and P16 9-16, as indicated in the manual - they just don't change on the P16m, which carries on mirroring the outputs.
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Assuming your routing is what you think it is, it sounds like your S16 is in mode 7 or 8 and that you are syncing off the S16.

Have you checked the mode on your S16? It should be in mode 1
 
Re: X32 at a show

Douglas R. Allen said:
I believe I spy some Peavey RBS2's? I had a set in the 90's and they were a punchy sub in their designed operating range.
Douglas R. Allen
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You are correct i really like those subs they have a great punch to them and with the 18" i use its work great together. Ya just have to put some power on those subs and they will rock..

Randy
 
Re: Live Musical Theater

Kevin Hunter said:
Have you tried manually editing the scene file on a pc ? Yes I know its a pain but If you delete out the lines that you dont want then you might be able to load parts of a scene.

If this doesnt work on the console it will definatley work with my scene manager app.

Kev
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I considered that solution and it would be OK for the scenes you prepare "off line" before going to the venue, but if you need to insert new scenes during the show/rehearsal (something else the desk itself needs to be able to do without using a PC - there simply isn't time to operate a mouse etc whilst the show is running. Similarly, it's simply not practical to edit a scene file whilst you're riding 16-24 radio mic levels, and following every lie of script and every move on stage - the desk needs to be able to do it internally. Something like a "record only" soft key, then you press the channel selects for each channel you want to record (which then flash, perhaps), then press Save Scene softkey.

Once in the theatre, there generally isn't time to sit down and edit the scene files later either, as you are usually up against hiring time contraints and have to get out of the building pretty quick after the rehearsal ends (I guess it's different if you work at the theatre, but generally I am in a receiving house and we only get access to the building during our contracted hire hours).

OK, I could take the scene files home, edit them there and then re-load them next evening but that's a pain too!
 
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Re: W16 monitor output routing

Per Søvik said:
Assuming your routing is what you think it is, it sounds like your S16 is in mode 7 or 8 and that you are syncing off the S16.

Have you checked the mode on your S16? It should be in mode 1
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Thanks Per - that is EXACTLY what was happening - I was syncing from the S16 and the splitter light was on! I assumed that was simply the Optical Outs - mirroring the XLR ins, and didn't realised it replicated the outputs onto the P16 buss!

Thanks to everyone. Paul
 
Re: X32 live recording

Dan Mortensen said:
That's a nice mix, Randy, was that the USB mix or a mixdown from multi? That band has a really good drummer. The song let him/her showcase a lot of cool tasty stuff.

Thanks for posting it.

Dan
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Hello, and yes that was mixed with the usb stick 2 tracks off the desk the 2 track usb recorded is the best thing they put in the desk..

And the drummer is new to the band and he does ROCK but sometimes he over plays and it kinda make the lead singer mad a little cause he's an old man singer (LOL) the lead singer in the band is 63 and he can still hit the journey tunes..

I have been working with this band for about the last 2 years but only played a hand full of shows. There in on IEM and we use a blast shield around the drum kit but ya have to use one if you want those vocals to sing out at FOH without all the cymbol and loud snr in your vocals mics...

Thanks for the comments and to Behringer for making such a great desk for the money.. i'm ready to get the X32 producer for monitor world..

Randy..
 
Re: X32 live recording

Nick Simon said:
Good job Randy! How did you get the "Strat" guitar to sit "out there" in the mix? It almost sounds like surround. I like some of the other songs on your cloud also.. tripstar...
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Why thank you very much, the strat is pluged into a Marshall jcm2000 combo and we use the direct XLR out off the amp and don't turn the speaker up on stage. and i just pan it a little left and i use the stereo delay in the desk for to fatten it up.

Now the tripstar that was a band back in 04 i think they cam into the club and i never heard them but i was like wow after sound check that how good these guys were. There diffrent but really like them alot and that was mixed on a crest centry 40ch desk that i bought from the club when they closed down..and still have it.. it just weights a ton..

And thanks again for the comment's and all my recording are always 2 tracks off the desk no multi track here. :)

Randy
 
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Re: W16 monitor output routing

Paul Johnson said:
Thanks Per - that is EXACTLY what was happening - I was syncing from the S16 and the splitter light was on! I assumed that was simply the Optical Outs - mirroring the XLR ins, and didn't realised it replicated the outputs onto the P16 buss!

Thanks to everyone. Paul
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Dear Paul,
Glad you got it sorted out.
You may also want to check out a Tech Talk article we did on the S16.
BEHRINGER Tech Talk #01: S16 and X32
 
Re: Live Musical Theater

Stephen.Porter said:
I have been using my X32 for live musical theater productions (Into the Woods / The Drowsy Chaperone / Singin' in the Rain) for the past 6 months. <snip>

1. The scene memory is too small and difficult to edit. Most of the shows I mix use upwards of 200 cues. Also, I often find it necessary to add a cue between two existing cues without renumbering all the following cues. For this I need a decimal point in the cue numbers. I hope the next major update will include these. For the present I just continue to use notes in my script.
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A big +1 on this. I did sound design for Into the Woods a few years ago and ran into the same scene limitation issue with the 01V96. We had to use Studio Manager on a computer to load the next batch of scenes between acts. To me it seems inexcusable to not have a lot more scene memory capabilities as theater cues often run well over 100 scenes. I would think that 512 or even 1024 scenes would be standard by now. The current production of Avenue Q I'm helping on is also about 200 scenes. Same issue.
 
Re: Live Musical Theater

Greg Cameron said:
I would think that 512 or even 1024 scenes would be standard by now.
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There really doesn't seem to be any need for an arbitrary limitation like this. Back in the days of custom hardware and expensive non-volatile memory (like in the 01V), fair enough, but the CPU and main memory in the X32 surely has to be fairly generic, and flash memory is dirt cheap. I guess there is still a finite amount of memory dedicated to scene storage, and the size of the data for each scene is variable, but even so it seems like there must be space for a lot more than 100.

I got my X32 about two months ago, and am using it right now for a student production of the musical "Gypsy". I didn't want to have to get my head around the scene recall system, so I avoided it completely and wrote a custom tool to control the mixer from QLab. You make cues with high-level user-readable OSC commands (e.g. "/mute Rose", "/unmute BabyJune") and it translates to low-level mixer commands (e.g. "/ch/01/mix/on OFF"). Our current QLab file has 234 cues, of which maybe 15 are regular sound effects cues, and the rest are configuration stuff for the mixer then actual mute/unmute or DCA assignment commands for the 18 wireless mics. I have two students in the booth for sound. One is triggering QLab along with the script, and the other is riding faders for active channels, and tweaking the EQ and dynamics. We've got most of the bugs out of it now, which is good because in two weeks we switch to Les Miserables, with 24 wireless mics and a bigger louder band! :)

Once we're done, I'd be happy to tidy up the tool (it's just a Python script, in conjunction with a third-party OSC module which I got from the guys on x32user.net, some of which are here too) and give it away to anyone here who might be interested?
 
Re: Live Musical Theater

Simon Eves said:
There really doesn't seem to be any need for an arbitrary limitation like this. Back in the days of custom hardware and expensive non-volatile memory (like in the 01V), fair enough, but the CPU and main memory in the X32 surely has to be fairly generic, and flash memory is dirt cheap. I guess there is still a finite amount of memory dedicated to scene storage, and the size of the data for each scene is variable, but even so it seems like there must be space for a lot more than 100.
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I think that for the internal memory the 100 or so scene limit is ok.

What I'd like to see instead is that you should be able to select between internal and external (aka. usb stick) show/scene storage.

This way you'd be sparse on internal memory for the x32 other memory consuming parts and you'd get 'unlimited' scene memory using external memory.
 
Re: Live Musical Theater

Robert Lofgren said:
What I'd like to see instead is that you should be able to select between internal and external (aka. usb stick) show/scene storage.

This way you'd be sparse on internal memory for the x32 other memory consuming parts and you'd get 'unlimited' scene memory using external memory.
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That's a good idea. I guess the point I failed to make in the first part of my previous post was that the 100-scene limit is just one solution to the problem of storing variable size user data on a device with no user-visible filesystem. It's better to know you can only save 100 scenes, than to be told right before a show that "Error: Failed to save scene 263. Scene memory is full".

Then again, since the device has only one USB slot, this would conflict with using it for the USB recorder.

There still has to be a better solution. For me, it's external! :)
 
Re: Live Musical Theater

Simon Eves said:
Then again, since the device has only one USB slot, this would conflict with using it for the USB recorder.
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I don't see how that would become a conflict... You can save scenes to the usb device already today and use it for recording as well at the same time.

So the basic parts already exist. It only needs to be expanded upon in some clever way. I'd probably go for some xml based framework that accesses the standalone scene files or something similar.
 
Re: Live Musical Theater

Robert Lofgren said:
I don't see how that would become a conflict... You can save scenes to the usb device already today and use it for recording as well at the same time.
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I'm inclined to think that it would be very difficult to access the stick while recording, with the requirement for extra buffering and burst writing to the stick to catch up whenever scenes are being accessed. Probably not worth the effort if there is a chance that recording might get compromised.

So the basic parts already exist. It only needs to be expanded upon in some clever way. I'd probably go for some xml based framework that accesses the standalone scene files or something similar.
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The internal representation of the scenes are obviously pure guesswork on my part, but I wouldn't be surprised if the scenes are held in memory in the form they appear on the file, and only parsed into binary format on recall before being shifted/copied into the registers. If that is the case, it might actually be easier to rework the whole concept and parse files to a binary table at import, freeing up memory to easily fit ten times as many scenes and probably increase the speed of scene changes as a bonus.
In fact, there is really no need for the X32 to be able to store and recall scenes and shows in anything but binary format, if one deems that there is a need for the OSC format, the dual capability and parsing associated with that could be left to the X32-edit.
 
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