Does somebody compare between these 2 boards sound vise?
Is SQ sound any better than M32? Does it worth to switch?
Love to hear some details on what's missing in the dLive scene management. I am interested in the dLive system, but also am big on scene management.
As you know, there is MIDI control for the dLive, what functions do you feel are missing?
It is a feature that folks on the A&H forums have been wanting for years. They are still waiting.
I would personally recommend the SQ over the M32.
I don't think the M32 has any sort of automatic mic mixing algorithm, but if it does, someone please correct me.
I would personally recommend the SQ over the M32.
Kevin, if it's been a few years since you looked, you should definitely have another look, since they have extended the scene management significantly. You can download "Director", their Windows/Mac editor to look at any functions, you don't need the console to see what features/functions are available.
Maybe have a look at this video when you get time. I'd be interested to know what you see as limitations in this updated system.
The 1.60 version adds "roles" as well which is yet another level of scene management
I still haven't used the console myself, but my understanding is that there is MIDI over TCP/IP support for Windows now.
You use what they call the "DAW Control" software.
I see that they do not have MIDI control for eq, so you're right about that.
So I'll try to summarize:
Lighter and smaller
Better sound ??
Potential 64 in/out 96kHz Dante
On-board 16 channels recording
Bad schene management
No offline app
Poor iPad app
Routing limitation (stereo buses only)
Expensive stage boxes
The choice of only one USB thread - flash drive or card
Better Online and Offline apps (actually best in the area)
Excellent scene management
Reasonable stage boxes and better choice
Very reasonable prices of extension cards
More possible inputs (up to 167) with max 38 on faders same time
MIDI on board and on stage boxes
No User layer
Only 8 channels auto mix
The dLive does not work that way.As I was watching the video the one thing that they keep doing is having to click on a scene and then hit go. It seems as though there isn’t a just single recall to next scene function. And I remember something like that when playing with the SQ6. Actually there is a way (the only one that I have found) to recall sequential scenes, just set a soft key or the footswitch to “Scene Recall Go” / “Auto Increment”. When you press that soft key it recalls the settings of the next scene but it then is really cued up on the scene after that one. If you step thru to scene 6 (Current: scene) you will notice that the scene list is actually on scene 7 the (Next: scene) so if you make a change and then hit Store, you will be storing your changes to scene 7 not 6. The “Scene Previous” function doesn’t recall the previous scene, it just moves the cursor up the list, you have to then hit the “GO” key on the scene page or you could set one “Soft Key” to “Scene Previous” and another key to “Scene Recall Go” without the auto increment turned on. And if you do jump back in anyway, either with the 2 different soft keys or by touching the scene that you want to go back to, on the scene screen you will see at the top that the current and the next scene both are on the same number so to go ahead one scene you will have to hit your soft key “GO” twice. I don’t see a way to insert a scene on the SQ6.
Jumping back can be done by hitting "Back" and "Go" or "Reset" and "Go" to undo the scene Recall or Scene Store.In summery the basic “GO” functionality mostly works but the “BACK” is way too awkward to use in a theatrical situation. There really needs to be a way to jump back quickly in case of a mistake on somebody’s part. The footswitch jack on the SQ6 is very good because none of the “Soft Keys” are in a convenient place to be able to rest your hand on and then hit the “GO” when you need to. For that same reason I have a “GO” “BACK” box that I made for the Avid Profile and the SC48. I was able to put that right next to the mixer for recalling scenes on these mixers when using them for Musical Theater.
Never used Palladium, but I'm sure it's very powerful. Tracking on the dLive just means that as if you change a value of a parameter, with Tracking on, it automatically scopes just those changes and updates all selected scenes. Much easier than manually selecting the scope as you have to do on the Yamaha (or the Avid I believe).There is a lot of granularity to the scene management on the dLive and some on the SQ6 and I have been familiar with that. But what they are calling tracking isn’t what I would call tracking. With Palladium the fader moves I make are automatically tracked so if you mix a scene and have the relationship of the faders the way you want them they stay that way in subsequent scenes until you change them again. This includes if you make a change in the middle of a series of cues from that point on that change you made will stay till you make another change. It isn’t manipulating snapshots, it is seamless. I don’t need to hit a bunch of buttons to keep changing these modifications. When I go to the next scene (as long as I have “Learn” turned on) that is how that scene will be when I next return to that scene. There is a separate function in Palladium if you want to change the trim of your faders. And regarding the trims, from the Palladium used guide - “Trims can be channel, character or actor based”. In this video they seem to be referring to something similar as relative mode, auto tracking.
I linked you the Windows driver in my last message. It's existed for a while.Also I just heard (on this video) what the Midi capabilities are and the DAW thing that you mentioned doesn’t replace the need for a windows driver to do what I am referring to. They say that they are working on a windows version. And last I talked to them and asked the question on their forum the windows drivers still don’t exist from them.
I want to add that the M32, as it comes, I don’t think is capable for my required work flow to do theater sound. I only recommended the purchase of one (now we have two to use at the same time) after I found Palladium. For concert work or repetitive events the scene management built into the M32 is just fine. I just did 2 events where I just recalled the scene from last year and I didn’t have to spend hardly any time configuring or changing anything.
I hope this explains some of my issues with the SQ6. As I said not a bad board for the right applications.
I linked you the Windows driver in my last message. It's existed for a while.
I'll admit, it's not clear why they don't call it a driver rather than DAW control, but I'm sure there's a historic reason. It's also very odd that they didn't just use rtp-MIDI instead of a custom driver, but sometimes there's reasons for these things that make sense to the companies implementing them.The one you linked to is the DAW midi driver and it doesn't work the way that is needed to communicate with anything but a DAW.
This is a reply from an Allen & Heath USA, Commercial Solutions Specialist from February 13, 2018.
Unfortunately, A&H does not currently have a Midi driver for Windows OS.
I then asked – “Is there a 3rd part one that they recommend?”
And the reply was – “Not that I know of at this time.”
I'll admit, it's not clear why they don't call it a driver rather than DAW control, but I'm sure there's a historic reason. It's also very odd that they didn't just use rtp-MIDI instead of a custom driver, but sometimes there's reasons for these things that make sense to the companies implementing them.
Anyway, I'm not sure what you mean when you say "it doesn't work the way that is needed", but if your software can access a virtual MIDI port, it should work fine. Just select "thru" as the protocol if you don't want HUI or other emulation.
Here's what the DAW Control/Driver looks like on Windows:
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I haven't tried it yet as I don't yet have a dLive or A&H mixer, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. (I don't see SQ in the dropdown, not sure about MIDI support on that console)
No idea why the person you contacted at A&H gave you the wrong information, but I've had that happen more times than I can count, where I actually have to send the CS person a link to inform them of something about their own product.