Log in
Register
Home
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
Featured content
New posts
New profile posts
Latest activity
News
Members
Current visitors
New profile posts
Search profile posts
Features
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search titles only
By:
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Install the app
Install
Reply to thread
Home
Forums
Pro Audio
Varsity
Infocomm???
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Ivan Beaver" data-source="post: 140684" data-attributes="member: 30"><p>Re: Infocomm???</p><p></p><p></p><p>As far as weight-I will put forth the following argument. Several of the new "Super special latest tech natural best we ever did" cabinets weight a good bit more than your 100Kg number.</p><p></p><p>And nobody would think of doing a decent sized show with 2 or 3 per side. So the TOTAL WEIGHT (REMEMBER that these are NOT handled one at a time-but rather 4 or 5 high on a cart) is much more than the Jericho products.</p><p></p><p>When pushing around a cart-it does NOT matter how many boxes are on it-simply the TOTAL weight</p><p></p><p>So the weigh somebody is pushing around is more-the total truck weight is more resulting in less gas mileage and the size is larger-resulting in less truck space for other gear. It is the total that should be considered-not the individual (unless the boxes are handled individually) which almost none of the line array cabinets are-except on the very small scale-but then we would not be talking Jerichos and such.</p><p></p><p>If you need greater vertical angle, you can add additional boxes. The difference between using the Synergy horn (which the Exodus is based on) and other boxes that don't have a large horn, is that that the synergy products will not interfere with each other (anywhere near as much as boxes with small or no horns). The line arrays will actually NARROW the pattern, rather than widening it. You may be "pointing the box at one area-but due to the lack of pattern control, you are actually increasing the loudness in a totally different area. So you "fixed" one problem-but made others WORSE. You HAVE to look at more than 1 seat at a time.</p><p></p><p>Putting the energy where it needs to go greatly reduces interference/reflections etc.</p><p></p><p>It is much more a simple "point and shoot" rather than a complex interference pattern.</p><p></p><p>That is basic sound system design.</p><p></p><p>I am sure Mikes intent was not to suggest that Exodus could be used for any and every situation, but rather that there are very different applications that it is easily adaptable to that give it a very wide range of usage.</p><p></p><p>For example-a single XD96 can cover quite a large crowd with a single box per side. Or it could be used in a smaller room and still not take up very much space.</p><p></p><p>Since the XD96 and 62 are both truly full range boxes, in many applications they can be used without a sub (the first install was in a football stadium without subs and they provide plenty of bass for that).</p><p></p><p>The XD62 (because of its extra strong mid and HF) could be used as a pair for a typical football field (stacked and splayed so each one is pointed towards the bleachers on the side) and no sub would be needed, but could be added if extra bass is desired. But there would be a good bit of bass without the sub.</p><p></p><p>A single XD62 could be used to cover a balcony (without having to use multiple boxes to get some sort of pattern control down in the vocal range). This save both money-weight-amps-size etc.</p><p></p><p>You could just fly the 96 and the 62 and put some subs on the ground.</p><p></p><p>Because the male/female large interlocking skids, you can ground or stage stack them and they "lock together" without any pins.</p><p></p><p>But if I needed a high output box that needed to "throw" 700', I would be looking at a different product. But the Exodus products could be used-just with a reduced SPL.</p><p></p><p>The sound would still hold together and not fall apart (like the interference systems), so the actual sound quality would still be good-just not as loud.</p><p></p><p>And when used outdoors, the sound will not "blow around" like line array products. Yes if the wind gets strong enough you can hear it "move around", but the line arrays would be useless at that point. We don't say it is immune to wind-just much more resistant.</p><p></p><p>This was evidenced a year ago down in Miami where the south beach hotels all had stages facing the ocean and a strong breeze was blowing. The other hotel owners came to the guys at the Jericho stage and asked how come the sound at our stage was not being blown around like it was at their stages (that all had line arrays).</p><p></p><p>It is because it starts as a single source-and simply holds together better over distance and is not as affected by the temp gradients in the air like a line array.</p><p></p><p>Here is a simple little test to do. Take a pair of single driver full range speakers (really cheap $10 ones will work just fine)</p><p></p><p>Put one on top of the other and run some pink noise through them. Have someone move one of the back just a couple of inches.</p><p></p><p>You can hear all sorts of combfiltering going on as the distance changes. This is the same thing as having different sources arrive at your ear at different times (a line of drivers).</p><p></p><p>If you can't hear this-may I suggest lighting as a career choice----------------------</p><p></p><p>Does it matter? To us it does. Others really don't care about the sound quality-so "it depends".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ivan Beaver, post: 140684, member: 30"] Re: Infocomm??? As far as weight-I will put forth the following argument. Several of the new "Super special latest tech natural best we ever did" cabinets weight a good bit more than your 100Kg number. And nobody would think of doing a decent sized show with 2 or 3 per side. So the TOTAL WEIGHT (REMEMBER that these are NOT handled one at a time-but rather 4 or 5 high on a cart) is much more than the Jericho products. When pushing around a cart-it does NOT matter how many boxes are on it-simply the TOTAL weight So the weigh somebody is pushing around is more-the total truck weight is more resulting in less gas mileage and the size is larger-resulting in less truck space for other gear. It is the total that should be considered-not the individual (unless the boxes are handled individually) which almost none of the line array cabinets are-except on the very small scale-but then we would not be talking Jerichos and such. If you need greater vertical angle, you can add additional boxes. The difference between using the Synergy horn (which the Exodus is based on) and other boxes that don't have a large horn, is that that the synergy products will not interfere with each other (anywhere near as much as boxes with small or no horns). The line arrays will actually NARROW the pattern, rather than widening it. You may be "pointing the box at one area-but due to the lack of pattern control, you are actually increasing the loudness in a totally different area. So you "fixed" one problem-but made others WORSE. You HAVE to look at more than 1 seat at a time. Putting the energy where it needs to go greatly reduces interference/reflections etc. It is much more a simple "point and shoot" rather than a complex interference pattern. That is basic sound system design. I am sure Mikes intent was not to suggest that Exodus could be used for any and every situation, but rather that there are very different applications that it is easily adaptable to that give it a very wide range of usage. For example-a single XD96 can cover quite a large crowd with a single box per side. Or it could be used in a smaller room and still not take up very much space. Since the XD96 and 62 are both truly full range boxes, in many applications they can be used without a sub (the first install was in a football stadium without subs and they provide plenty of bass for that). The XD62 (because of its extra strong mid and HF) could be used as a pair for a typical football field (stacked and splayed so each one is pointed towards the bleachers on the side) and no sub would be needed, but could be added if extra bass is desired. But there would be a good bit of bass without the sub. A single XD62 could be used to cover a balcony (without having to use multiple boxes to get some sort of pattern control down in the vocal range). This save both money-weight-amps-size etc. You could just fly the 96 and the 62 and put some subs on the ground. Because the male/female large interlocking skids, you can ground or stage stack them and they "lock together" without any pins. But if I needed a high output box that needed to "throw" 700', I would be looking at a different product. But the Exodus products could be used-just with a reduced SPL. The sound would still hold together and not fall apart (like the interference systems), so the actual sound quality would still be good-just not as loud. And when used outdoors, the sound will not "blow around" like line array products. Yes if the wind gets strong enough you can hear it "move around", but the line arrays would be useless at that point. We don't say it is immune to wind-just much more resistant. This was evidenced a year ago down in Miami where the south beach hotels all had stages facing the ocean and a strong breeze was blowing. The other hotel owners came to the guys at the Jericho stage and asked how come the sound at our stage was not being blown around like it was at their stages (that all had line arrays). It is because it starts as a single source-and simply holds together better over distance and is not as affected by the temp gradients in the air like a line array. Here is a simple little test to do. Take a pair of single driver full range speakers (really cheap $10 ones will work just fine) Put one on top of the other and run some pink noise through them. Have someone move one of the back just a couple of inches. You can hear all sorts of combfiltering going on as the distance changes. This is the same thing as having different sources arrive at your ear at different times (a line of drivers). If you can't hear this-may I suggest lighting as a career choice---------------------- Does it matter? To us it does. Others really don't care about the sound quality-so "it depends". [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Home
Forums
Pro Audio
Varsity
Infocomm???
Top
Bottom
Sign-up
or
log in
to join the discussion today!
