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<blockquote data-quote="Anssi Tenhunen" data-source="post: 105440" data-attributes="member: 5490">Re: Where to buy productsThanks for googling me. You do that to every random person on the internet?But who said anything that I was getting an X32, or even interested in it? I never said that. I know I can order one without even seeing one, but I don&#039;t want to do that. If you would&#039;ve read the&nbsp; original post I wrote, I listed Trirec, T1 and T47 as examples of items&nbsp; that I was interested in, but for example I would not buy anything blindly worth over 500€ (like for example a&nbsp; guitar amp or a mixer), I want to try them/it first just to get a feel how they perform or even if I even like how they sound. Since I didn&#039;t have access to Trirec, I got an used Mesa Dual Rectifier some time ago instead, and I&#039;ve been happy with it.It&#039;s more likely that I would buy Midas Venice F32 than X32 just for&nbsp; live use, because I started mixing with Midas Venice 320 a bit over 10&nbsp; years ago, and I really like how it sounded but since I also want to use a desk for recording, I want to&nbsp; test both first, because I want to test how small the round trip DAW latency is with the drivers when&nbsp; recording with the F32 and how does the routing back from the computer&nbsp; works, so can I overdub with them or if I even can overdub with them.For example about 5-7 years ago my local church at the time had a youth cafe where I was the &quot;house engineer&quot; and they had a Midas Venice 320 console and they wanted to &quot;upgrade&quot; for same thing - live and recording. We went to demo the Tascam DM4800, and the computer crashed during the recording demo, the desk itself sounded really sterile in a bad way and I totally didn&#039;t like how the console operated. I recommended to the church guy not to get it, but despite my warnings, about two weeks later, they had it. And pretty much none of the sound engineers that visited the place liked the desk during the 2 years that I was there before I moved, and as far as I know, there has only been one &quot;studio recording&quot; made with that desk in it&#039;s entire lifespan. Yamaha LS9 on the other hand was really easy use and to get hold of from the very first time I used it on a venue in Rovaniemi on my first tour as FOH engineer back in 2006-2007. If it would&#039;ve had the multitrack recording option, I would&#039;ve recommended them to get that instead.That&#039;s also the reason why I&#039;m hesitating buying either one of F32 or X32, because I know that the F32 would definitely fill my needs as a live console, but not entirely sure as a recording console, and I don&#039;t know how X32 behaves or sounds as I&#039;ve never tested one. I would feel terrible to ask something worth several thousand euros to the&nbsp; local music shop &quot;just to test it&quot; and then possibly not even buy it. So I would literally have to travel to a place that has them in stock to test either of them out, and I if I have a choice, I really don&#039;t prefer to travel for several hundred kilometers just to go test stuff out. And traveling to Tampere is not just 150km, but 300km, as I&#039;m not planning to stay there.If Into Luthmann had a shop in Finland, you&#039;d would think they had most of the represented catalog they have for sale in stock. That&#039;s also why I mentioned it in my original post that they don&#039;t have one in Finland.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Anssi Tenhunen, post: 105440, member: 5490"] Re: Where to buy products Thanks for googling me. You do that to every random person on the internet? But who said anything that I was getting an X32, or even interested in it? I never said that. I know I can order one without even seeing one, but I don't want to do that. If you would've read the original post I wrote, I listed Trirec, T1 and T47 as examples of items that I was interested in, but for example I would not buy anything blindly worth over 500€ (like for example a guitar amp or a mixer), I want to try them/it first just to get a feel how they perform or even if I even like how they sound. Since I didn't have access to Trirec, I got an used Mesa Dual Rectifier some time ago instead, and I've been happy with it. It's more likely that I would buy Midas Venice F32 than X32 just for live use, because I started mixing with Midas Venice 320 a bit over 10 years ago, and I really like how it sounded but since I also want to use a desk for recording, I want to test both first, because I want to test how small the round trip DAW latency is with the drivers when recording with the F32 and how does the routing back from the computer works, so can I overdub with them or if I even can overdub with them. For example about 5-7 years ago my local church at the time had a youth cafe where I was the "house engineer" and they had a Midas Venice 320 console and they wanted to "upgrade" for same thing - live and recording. We went to demo the Tascam DM4800, and the computer crashed during the recording demo, the desk itself sounded really sterile in a bad way and I totally didn't like how the console operated. I recommended to the church guy not to get it, but despite my warnings, about two weeks later, they had it. And pretty much none of the sound engineers that visited the place liked the desk during the 2 years that I was there before I moved, and as far as I know, there has only been one "studio recording" made with that desk in it's entire lifespan. Yamaha LS9 on the other hand was really easy use and to get hold of from the very first time I used it on a venue in Rovaniemi on my first tour as FOH engineer back in 2006-2007. If it would've had the multitrack recording option, I would've recommended them to get that instead. That's also the reason why I'm hesitating buying either one of F32 or X32, because I know that the F32 would definitely fill my needs as a live console, but not entirely sure as a recording console, and I don't know how X32 behaves or sounds as I've never tested one. I would feel terrible to ask something worth several thousand euros to the local music shop "just to test it" and then possibly not even buy it. So I would literally have to travel to a place that has them in stock to test either of them out, and I if I have a choice, I really don't prefer to travel for several hundred kilometers just to go test stuff out. And traveling to Tampere is not just 150km, but 300km, as I'm not planning to stay there. If Into Luthmann had a shop in Finland, you'd would think they had most of the represented catalog they have for sale in stock. That's also why I mentioned it in my original post that they don't have one in Finland. [/QUOTE]

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