I'm looking for a 4-8 channel delay unit I can use on inserts for input delay with my existing consoles. Use is for broadcast and live recording.
Thanks
DR
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DR
Insertable multi-channel delay
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Silas Pradetto
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One of the Xilica 8x8 DSPs might be overkill, but could certainly do it, and I think a basic one can be had for less than $1000.
One of the Xilica 8x8 DSPs might be overkill, but could certainly do it, and I think a basic one can be had for less than $1000.
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Used Ashly Protea 4.24? 4 channels in/out, includes delay on each channel.
Used Ashly Protea 4.24? 4 channels in/out, includes delay on each channel.
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Thanks. I didn't know if something like this existed in broadcast world or what. I'm in the crack between analog and big digital, so it's kind of special usage. The Ashley is likely. I hadn't thought of using DSP.
Thanks. I didn't know if something like this existed in broadcast world or what. I'm in the crack between analog and big digital, so it's kind of special usage. The Ashley is likely. I hadn't thought of using DSP.
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The nice thing about using DSP units like the Ashley is that you will doubtless be able to find some other use for them in future. You'll be more likely to get a long term return on your investment than with a "one trick box".
We have a couple of Soundwebs that we keep as general purpose problem solvers. They have been pressed into action as replacement crossovers, used as channel inserts, etc. etc.
The nice thing about using DSP units like the Ashley is that you will doubtless be able to find some other use for them in future. You'll be more likely to get a long term return on your investment than with a "one trick box".
We have a couple of Soundwebs that we keep as general purpose problem solvers. They have been pressed into action as replacement crossovers, used as channel inserts, etc. etc.
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You could get an original Yamaha 01v that costs next to nothing. It has 4 omni out and 2 XLR L-R out. It would be easy to write a scene that routes six of the line inputs to these six outputs with various delays inserted (there are several options like input delay, group delay, etc).
The mixer also has a mini YGDAI card slot that could give you additionally 4 or 8 extra outputs.
Of course, the minimum delay would be like 3 ms as that is the latency of the mixer.
You could get an original Yamaha 01v that costs next to nothing. It has 4 omni out and 2 XLR L-R out. It would be easy to write a scene that routes six of the line inputs to these six outputs with various delays inserted (there are several options like input delay, group delay, etc).
The mixer also has a mini YGDAI card slot that could give you additionally 4 or 8 extra outputs.
Of course, the minimum delay would be like 3 ms as that is the latency of the mixer.
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Yes, but then I'd have yet another (limited channel count) desk. With the insertable unit(s) I can use the delay with any of the desks I have.
Yes, but then I'd have yet another (limited channel count) desk. With the insertable unit(s) I can use the delay with any of the desks I have.
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I agree that a typical multi-function DSP is going to be the most cost effective route. Dedicated delay boxes for this application tend to be pricey. Rane has the nice AD22S delay unit but it is quite expensive per channel.
Any relatively inexpensive DSP such as those already mentioned would work. Maybe add the Peavey Digitool MX to the list (8x8). They are under 1K new and much cheaper if you can find a used one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Peavey-Digi...ltDomain_0&hash=item45fc8e3347#ht_3342wt_1117
A very low cost option might be to use MiniDSP's kits. http://minidsp.com/
They have a variety of options that you could use, such as their 8x8 device which is $399 (you mount it in your desired housing), or a few of their 2x4 balanced units that are ready to go: http://minidsp.com/onlinestore/detail/15-minidsp-in-a-box/flypage/71-minidsp-balanced-2x4?sef=hcfp for $145 each.
I agree that a typical multi-function DSP is going to be the most cost effective route. Dedicated delay boxes for this application tend to be pricey. Rane has the nice AD22S delay unit but it is quite expensive per channel.
Any relatively inexpensive DSP such as those already mentioned would work. Maybe add the Peavey Digitool MX to the list (8x8). They are under 1K new and much cheaper if you can find a used one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Peavey-Digi...ltDomain_0&hash=item45fc8e3347#ht_3342wt_1117
A very low cost option might be to use MiniDSP's kits. http://minidsp.com/
They have a variety of options that you could use, such as their 8x8 device which is $399 (you mount it in your desired housing), or a few of their 2x4 balanced units that are ready to go: http://minidsp.com/onlinestore/detail/15-minidsp-in-a-box/flypage/71-minidsp-balanced-2x4?sef=hcfp for $145 each.
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How big can the package be? There have been a bunch of K-T delays on eBay and for sale from the Broadway theater suppliers like Masque. What were once $2k are now >$200.
How big can the package be? There have been a bunch of K-T delays on eBay and for sale from the Broadway theater suppliers like Masque. What were once $2k are now >$200.
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Big "Homer Simpson DOH" moment here. I have a pile of GraphiQ's in the 2 channels/1 space config which will not only give me the delay I need but also 12 PEQ filters/channel plus compression if I want. If they'd been snakes they'd have bit me in the butt......
DR
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Big "Homer Simpson DOH" moment here. I have a pile of GraphiQ's in the 2 channels/1 space config which will not only give me the delay I need but also 12 PEQ filters/channel plus compression if I want. If they'd been snakes they'd have bit me in the butt......
DR
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I think you misunderstood: I meant that you can use an old beater like a cheapo original 01v and use it as a piece of outboard gear for whatever mixers you need to insert delays on. Just use the inputs and outputs of the 01v and insert them into the channels of other desks
I think you misunderstood: I meant that you can use an old beater like a cheapo original 01v and use it as a piece of outboard gear for whatever mixers you need to insert delays on. Just use the inputs and outputs of the 01v and insert them into the channels of other desks
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That's a pretty big piece of gear to be lugging around. I think I'll pass.
That's a pretty big piece of gear to be lugging around. I think I'll pass.
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In all fairness, an original 01v in a rack case is about the same size as a 3 unit RR anti-shock rack.
In all fairness, an original 01v in a rack case is about the same size as a 3 unit RR anti-shock rack.
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So what what are the pros and cons of using DSP on inserts? I've got several Prosys 8810s floating around here that get used occasionally but it would be nice to have more work for them. So what is everyone's thoughts of using them as channel inserts? I like that they'e balanced I/O, but complete lack of knobs and the need to have a laptop to control it is a little detering.
So what what are the pros and cons of using DSP on inserts? I've got several Prosys 8810s floating around here that get used occasionally but it would be nice to have more work for them. So what is everyone's thoughts of using them as channel inserts? I like that they'e balanced I/O, but complete lack of knobs and the need to have a laptop to control it is a little detering.