Yamaha Stage Mix 2.0 News

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I mix for a weekly kids show series and some usually gather around the LS9 during the break -- it's always fun to push a couple of faders on the iPad and watch them jump back and let out a yell.

Yeah, that is fun...

Some time back, we were doing the obligatory small-town festival with the M7 and my little remote rig. One of our younger guys had one of the organizers cornered by the M7 and showing off to her its cool digital features in a manner that was intended to show how smart he was rather than what the console was about (yeah, the pretty blond lady had nothing to do with it). As this kid's making his pitch, I grabbed the tablet and pushed up and down a couple of virtual faders, with the desk reacting normally. The young man and the lady jumped back, naturally. I kept bumping faders around, further confounding the two, until finally, I pushed a group of eight faders into a smiley face. It was at that point that the WOMAN turned to me (several feet away and tablet hidden) and asked, "are YOU making it do that??". I showed her the tablet and how it worked and turns out, the young lady had an IT background at the local community college, so I gave her the tour. Young Man didn't look quite as smart at this point (but I think there was some "fraternizing" later on, nonetheless....)

Geri O
 
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IPad has much more marketshare than Andriod tablets, and a much larger install base. That may change, but at the moment, if you want to hit the most users with the least development, IOS is your platform.

Even at the time you posted this you were wrong... but as of today Apple has 17% of the market, Android has 73%, and Windows Phone 8 has 5%... you can research the market shares yourself... it makes no sense to not cater to both Apple and Android... especially since both are Linux based. Also all Android development is free under the GLU
 
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Even at the time you posted this you were wrong... but as of today Apple has 17% of the market, Android has 73%, and Windows Phone 8 has 5%... you can research the market shares yourself... it makes no sense to not cater to both Apple and Android... especially since both are Linux based. Also all Android development is free under the GLU

I would like to see what percentage of those Android tablets are the generic mail order tablets, and which are real deal tablets with some actual horsepower.
 
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I'm sure that statistic includes phones and would be different if it was "Tablets over 5 inches in size"

Still, I agree the other operating systems make sense. IOS is not the only/best horse in the race by any means.

I'm personally looking forward to the new Microsoft Surface tablet that will run Windows 8 (not Windows 8 RS)
Should be able to run Studio Manager on that tablet.
 
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Even at the time you posted this you were wrong... but as of today Apple has 17% of the market, Android has 73%, and Windows Phone 8 has 5%... you can research the market shares yourself... it makes no sense to not cater to both Apple and Android... especially since both are Linux based. Also all Android development is free under the GLU
As Steve said, this may be true if you include phones, but it's hardly true for tablets large enough to run Stage Mix, either way back in 2011, or today. And Android is about as not-free as any other language to program in - last I checked writing software requires paying programmers. Nice antagonistic first post, by the way. Welcome to the forum.
 
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Even at the time you posted this you were wrong... but as of today Apple has 17% of the market, Android has 73%, and Windows Phone 8 has 5%... you can research the market shares yourself... it makes no sense to not cater to both Apple and Android... especially since both are Linux based. Also all Android development is free under the GLU

Mark, I'm trying to figure out how you and your single post (at the time of this post) toss that statement out there knowing the context is wrong. Since you didn't get it then, you probably won't get it if try to explain it now ("if you have to ask the question, you won't understand the answer" yada yada...)

Well. Maybe a little...

There one iPhone and one iPad. Who the hell knows how many variants of both Androids are out there (ad I'll be a Big Boy and not say anything about 'gasp' fragmentation and what it means to developers. Oops, damn....)

And I've played with enough Android tablets to know that I don't give a shit about the marketing numbers. I want an iPad. Use what you wish, I could care less...

What an old and weary subject...

Geri O
 
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I'm sure that statistic includes phones and would be different if it was "Tablets over 5 inches in size"

Still, I agree the other operating systems make sense. IOS is not the only/best horse in the race by any means.

I'm personally looking forward to the new Microsoft Surface tablet that will run Windows 8 (not Windows 8 RS)
Should be able to run Studio Manager on that tablet.

I'm wondering about that myself, however, I think I'm gonna break my bank and get a Motion tablet so I can run SM on a real machine without remoting from the Mac to the iPad, and so on (unless we sell our 5D and have a houseful of CL5s)

Geri O
 
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I'm wondering about that myself, however, I think I'm gonna break my bank and get a Motion tablet so I can run SM on a real machine without remoting from the Mac to the iPad, and so on (unless we sell our 5D and have a houseful of CL5s)

Geri O
Hey GeriO - if you can wait a couple weeks, the Microsoft Surface Pro might be a good option. Not a ton more than an IPad, full Windows 8. Starts at $899 I think.
 
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I'm wondering about that myself, however, I think I'm gonna break my bank and get a Motion tablet so I can run SM on a real machine without remoting from the Mac to the iPad, and so on (unless we sell our 5D and have a houseful of CL5s)

Geri O

(SWERVE) Just a caution: Due to connection issues, running SM directly off a Motion pad was never anywhere near as reliable as your current method. SM is completely intolerant of dropped bits of data (which happens all the time over WiFi). While I miss the fine-pointed stylus of the Motion, I don't miss having to completely restart and resync SM every time there was a RF glitch.

Of course, toward the end of my Motion's life I was reliably remote-desktopping a hardwired laptop. Expensive compromise, but may be worth it.
 
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(SWERVE) Just a caution: Due to connection issues, running SM directly off a Motion pad was never anywhere near as reliable as your current method. SM is completely intolerant of dropped bits of data (which happens all the time over WiFi). While I miss the fine-pointed stylus of the Motion, I don't miss having to completely restart and resync SM every time there was a RF glitch.
Man you are not joking. I've been using a Motion LE1700 tablet for about three and a half years now, over a Wifi to USB access point, and sometimes it is rock solid, other times it drops the connection every few minutes. The iPad and Stage Mix still drop the connection every couple of minutes, but at least it will reconnect automatically.

I miss the full functionality of Studio Manager versus Stage Mix, especially when dealing with delay times. But the interface on Stage Mix is so much user friendlier. I too wish they would release it for Android, as I don't like having to be tied to Apple for anything.
 
Man you are not joking. I've been using a Motion LE1700 tablet for about three and a half years now, over a Wifi to USB access point, and sometimes it is rock solid, other times it drops the connection every few minutes. The iPad and Stage Mix still drop the connection every couple of minutes, but at least it will reconnect automatically.

I miss the full functionality of Studio Manager versus Stage Mix, especially when dealing with delay times. But the interface on Stage Mix is so much user friendlier. I too wish they would release it for Android, as I don't like having to be tied to Apple for anything.

I use an old LE1600 with air fader and it is solid with a 5gHz connection (I got a 5gHz radio for the pc card slot). My version 1 iPad isn't too good with stage mix though I have not tried the new version nor with the new LS9 firmware.


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(SWERVE) Just a caution: Due to connection issues, running SM directly off a Motion pad was never anywhere near as reliable as your current method. SM is completely intolerant of dropped bits of data (which happens all the time over WiFi). While I miss the fine-pointed stylus of the Motion, I don't miss having to completely restart and resync SM every time there was a RF glitch.

Of course, toward the end of my Motion's life I was reliably remote-desktopping a hardwired laptop. Expensive compromise, but may be worth it.

Gosh, Milt, thanx for reminding me about that....

I learned about that several years ago and I was doing that with a Gateway notebook and a Lenovo convertible tablet.

I guess after being buried in iPads for the last couple of years, I forgot about that. I saw the guy with Asleep At The Wheel have such good luck with his Motion machine and SM and got all jazzed again. I don't remember him having to restart the connection. But he had a pretty solid WIFI setup and hardware. He gave me a list of his hardware that I still have somewhere.

I've been using Stagemix for the CL5, but I haven't tried to remote the CL5 editor via the MacBook and iPad. Since it doesn't need SM to run, I would expect it to be a tidier (more tidy?) experience. I'm gonna find out during our upcoming weeklong rodeo.

Geri O
 
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I learned about that several years ago and I was doing that with a Gateway notebook and a Lenovo convertible tablet.

I guess after being buried in iPads for the last couple of years, I forgot about that. I saw the guy with Asleep At The Wheel have such good luck with his Motion machine and SM and got all jazzed again. I don't remember him having to restart the connection. But he had a pretty solid WIFI setup and hardware. He gave me a list of his hardware that I still have somewhere.

I've been using Stagemix for the CL5, but I haven't tried to remote the CL5 editor via the MacBook and iPad. Since it doesn't need SM to run, I would expect it to be a tidier (more tidy?) experience. I'm gonna find out during our upcoming weeklong rodeo.

Geri O

It's possible recent improvements to SM and the drivers have made the connections more reliable. I gave up on direct control years ago, and I've been either doing a version of Remote Desktop or just using StageMix since then.
 
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As Steve said, this may be true if you include phones, but it's hardly true for tablets large enough to run Stage Mix, either way back in 2011, or today. And Android is about as not-free as any other language to program in - last I checked writing software requires paying programmers. Nice antagonistic first post, by the way. Welcome to the forum.

You're welcome... if nothing else I can start an argument/ heated discussion... and Android is free to program in... if you're the one doing the programming. For a company such as Yamaha I would assume that they already have a few thousand employees capable of writing said program, and maybe even a couple hundred who have already started on their own.
As for the phones... the nice thing about Android is you can run basic apps on either phone or tablet, the only difference is the amount of surface space used. For example I also use an ETC Ion... their app was designed for phones, and works great on my tablet. And while there are some low end models out there... ok a lot of low end models... wifi midi control is by no means hardware demanding... It works on my old ASUS UMPC just fine, and I'd wager the 900Mhz 256MB RAM, with a 30GB HD is far weaker than most anything you'll find today... and it runs Windows XP.
Eh... sorry to run on about this. One of my friends works for Yamaha and he hears about it all the time. Most people local to me use either Windows or Android... and they all hate the catering that most programmers do to such a small portion of the market.

On the plus side Stage Mix works great for those of us who can use it... between our LS9 and the occasional M7 we have to rent, our job is infinitely easier... we even finally got the back stage monitors eq'd.

On a side note... someone mentioned variations of androids and fragmentation... if that was the problem... they why have programmers successfully created programs for generations of Windows PC's with little to no regard for the hardware configuration?

Ok I'm done... for now
 
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and they all hate the catering that most programmers do to such a small portion of the market.


A random selection from the internet...
iPad And Android Tablet Market Share Margin Narrows Much Faster Than Originally Predicted | TechCrunch

Quote - "Apple continued to win out in terms of tablet market share this past quarter, according to the latest figures from ABI Research, with a 55 percent share of all shipments during the period. That’s a lead it has had since 2010 when the iPad was introduced, but it’s also the slimmest lead it’s ever had, and represents a dip of 14 percent versus the previous quarter. At this rate, Android could overtake the iPad for tablet share sometime next year, something which seemed unlikely or even impossible in 2010 and 2011"

They predict the andriod might tip the scales as early as this year, but favour 2015,2016....
Sorry buddy android is still "sucking the hind tit".

BTW as a side note, my wife's samsung IIIs crapped it's SD card yesterday, just didn't see it anymore.... she didn't like it when I waved my IPHONE 4S at her, while reviewing this forum on my ipad....
 
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And your analog console could have shit its power supply, or the water heater could have leaked, too. And your iphone could have just as easily had the display quit (it's happened to a friend's FruitFon).

My Samsung Galaxy IIs bricked on an android update due to a faulty component (required service, UPS red paid by Samsung).

Nothing is failure free (look at the precious X32 defenders who received DOA units).
 
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BTW as a side note, my wife's samsung IIIs crapped it's SD card yesterday, just didn't see it anymore.... she didn't like it when I waved my IPHONE 4S at her, while reviewing this forum on my ipad....

If we're going to bash phones, don't... I am a radio technician, and I can dissect every little problem in every phone. I use a windows Phone... not because it's popular or can do a lot... but because my tablet does everything I need, my phone does everything else, and when I drop my phone the screen doesn't shatter like all iPhones... my last Windows Phone fell 20 feet off scaffolding onto 5K Cement... it bounced, with no added protection, and the only flaw was a scratch on the corner. In fact it still works now, 2 years later... I just upgraded to a new model. The real battle shouldn't be Apple v. everything else... headline news for you.. an Apple Computer IS a PC. Instead compare what is actually inside and make a decision based on what you need v. what your device can give you.
 
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If we're going to bash phones, don't... I am a radio technician, and I can dissect every little problem in every phone. I use a windows Phone... not because it's popular or can do a lot... but because my tablet does everything I need, my phone does everything else, and when I drop my phone the screen doesn't shatter like all iPhones... my last Windows Phone fell 20 feet off scaffolding onto 5K Cement... it bounced, with no added protection, and the only flaw was a scratch on the corner. In fact it still works now, 2 years later... I just upgraded to a new model. The real battle shouldn't be Apple v. everything else... headline news for you.. an Apple Computer IS a PC. Instead compare what is actually inside and make a decision based on what you need v. what your device can give you.


I guess you glazed over the first part of my response... the last part was to get everyone's goat, and it obviously worked...

My point was to contest your earlier thread (and continued opinion) about the presence of the apple product in the pro sound community
you stated earlier...

"Even at the time you posted this you were wrong... but as of today Apple has 17% of the market, Android has 73%, and Windows Phone 8 has 5%... you can research the market shares yourself... it makes no sense to not cater to both Apple and Android... especially since both are Linux based. Also all Android development is free under the GLU "

I think it's been an accepted fact that these larger companies are enbracing the apple product because it offers a closed, quality controlled platform. It's been discussed and put to bed. You want an andriod app for (insert prosound equipment mfgr here), grab a buddy,rent a white van, and a black hood, and bag an employee leaving the building... or hold your breath - I think you'll be equally successful.