Question: Reverb in mons when mixing from FOH

Rob Spence

Rob Spence

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Every so often I get an artist who would like some reverb on their vocal in the monitor.

In these cases I am using my LS9-32.

I kludged it together last time but the way I did it (if I can even remember) affected other channels as well.

In general I am only using 2 of the FX racks. I was using one FX for vocal verbs for both vocalists. The other was used for drums.

I occurred to me that this might be a good use of the two channels in each effect?

Anyway, how would you suggest doing this? I am about to do a major reconfiguration of the desk routing so this might be a good time.

Thanks
 
Re: Question: Reverb in mons when mixing from FOH

Aux from mic top the efx,
out from the efx into a return channel for foh
aux out from that to the monitors
(make that aux send post fader if you want the efx n the monitor to follow what you do in FOH)
 
Re: Question: Reverb in mons when mixing from FOH

Steve Hurt said:
Aux from mic top the efx,
out from the efx into a return channel for foh
aux out from that to the monitors
(make that aux send post fader if you want the efx n the monitor to follow what you do in FOH)
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That was what I did but the return also had the other vocalists reverb in it so the female had her voice and verb along with the verb for the male vocal.
Perhaps that is good enough?
 
Re: Question: Reverb in mons when mixing from FOH

Given time, I would do this:

* Split the vocal channel in question to two console channels (one for monitor, one for house).

* Insert an appropriate effect into the monitor-designated vocal channel.

* Use the mix knob in the effect to get the needed dry-to-wet ratio in the monitor.

If you can set and forget this, it'll be great. If you have to fiddle with it continuously, it'll probably suck.

Oh, and if you are not already splitting channels between monitor and house functions, you should try it. It allows you to do all the things you want to channels (eq, comp, etc.) without effecting the monitor sends.
 
Re: Question: Reverb in mons when mixing from FOH

Milt Hathaway said:
Given time, I would do this:

* Split the vocal channel in question to two console channels (one for monitor, one for house).

* Insert an appropriate effect into the monitor-designated vocal channel.

* Use the mix knob in the effect to get the needed dry-to-wet ratio in the monitor.

If you can set and forget this, it'll be great. If you have to fiddle with it continuously, it'll probably suck.

Oh, and if you are not already splitting channels between monitor and house functions, you should try it. It allows you to do all the things you want to channels (eq, comp, etc.) without effecting the monitor sends.
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I always (when I can) split vocals for monitors (Y cables for analog and soft patch for digi).
I had not thought of actually inserting one of the FX racks to a channel.
 
Re: Question: Reverb in mons when mixing from FOH

Rob Spence said:
That was what I did but the return also had the other vocalists reverb in it so the female had her voice and verb along with the verb for the male vocal.
Perhaps that is good enough?
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Rob, anything that goes to the reverb, will return.

So if you send both vocals to the reverb, they will both come back.
To get only her vocal in the return, you must send only her vocal.

It is to their discretion whether it is good enough or not.
(Usually it will be.)

Regards, Jack
 
Re: Question: Reverb in mons when mixing from FOH

I rarely get this request... it's usually from two types of people, vocalists or sax players. Generally when mixing monitors from FOH I just send the FX return for the given effect, pre fade to their monitor. Sure it stays on between songs when I mute FX on FOH, but they "hear it working" and it usually keeps them quiet.
 
Re: Question: Reverb in mons when mixing from FOH

I've only had to do this a handful of times, but what seems to work best is a dedicated reverb for the monitor, adjusted to the artist's taste (or lack thereof), and left on all the time. Another reverb, adjusted to my taste, goes to the mains, and gets muted between songs.

I'm a fan of muting the sends going to the FX between songs, rather than the returns coming back from the FX. That gives them a much more pleasing trailing off effect, rather than being "gated" abruptly. On the LS9, I set up a UDK to mute an output group for those aux sends.

GTD
 
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