Poor Man's IEMs - Cabling issues

Stuart Høgg

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Hi folks,

First time posting in a while but I have been lurking faithfully.

At a recent gig, I had a band flung on stage who were a major "challenge" to get monitors happening for. The line up includes a full acoustic drumkit, electric backline, and a cello and violin. The strings have pickups, but not particularly great ones. Hearing vocals and strings on stage requires extensive tweaking of the monitor EQ to get adequate gain before feedback. At the moment they're playing small venues and are at the mercy of whatever's there. Apparently some of their gigs have been complete train wrecks. (I thought I'd made a pretty crap job of their gig with me but apparently it was far better than their average experience)

We've had a bit of email chat back and forward, and one thing I'd suggested was that they go onto some form of in-ear monitoring. They are on an extremely tight budget so will probably go wired rather than wireless. I'd imagine that they will use some cheap(ish) four way headphone amps. There are seven of them in the band, so two units would give them eight mixes. If they're turning up to a small festival, I expect it'd be reasonably easy to swap a rack of headphone amps in place of the monitor amplifiers.

My only concern is that this means we will be running reasonably long headphone extensions around the stage. I've got a source for good quality cable with decent amounts of screening, but I've not had the chance to test anything like this before so I want to make sure I'm not selling them a pup.

Has anyone run with a system similar to this? Any problems with signal drop over, say, a 40ft run? Keen to hear of any experience that people have had "in the trenches", so to speak.

I know that there are many other solutions that they could explore (Aviom, wireless, etc.) but they just don't have the budget and this seems like a good way to dip a toe in the water.
 
Re: Poor Man's IEMs - Cabling issues

The ear buds are low-medium impedance (like head phone drivers- I assume) so screened (shielded) cables are probably not required. You may want to check the impedance of the ear buds, but the wire losses with light duty speaker cable are probably minimal.

It seems like broken wires and/or bad connections may be a struggle to keep everything running smoothly, but no more than wired speakers if they were carried around by the talent.

JR
 
Re: Poor Man's IEMs - Cabling issues

Stuart - I do that set-up all the time with my band

We use a Behringer 4 channel headphone amp ( I think they make an 8 ch in a single space now)...($180)

1/4" TRS output to XLR male (so that you end up with the male in your hand on stage, so you don't snap a mic on the end of an in-ear run)

Xlr cable run to the player.... I've had 50' run before without issue....

XLR Female to 1/8" stereo female adapter

in-ears....

I have been running this way for about 5+ years now.... not a hiccup... I have to repair the xlr to 1/8" once in awhile, cause the 1/8" wears out, loses good contact... but other than that....
 
Re: Poor Man's IEMs - Cabling issues

Looks great, but it's a pity that the band need seven mixes whilst it provides six. I'll see if any of them could share a mix, or maybe just fire one of the players...

I normally have a dedicated mixer for the drummer so he can easily adjust his own levels (usually he also blends click/track/monitor mix himself). Maybe that would work for you?
 
Re: Poor Man's IEMs - Cabling issues

I normally have a dedicated mixer for the drummer so he can easily adjust his own levels (usually he also blends click/track/monitor mix himself). Maybe that would work for you?

They don't use click or tracks at the moment, but it wouldn't surprise me if they went in that direction in future. I'll certainly suggest it to them.
 
Re: Poor Man's IEMs - Cabling issues

Stuart,

What about better pickups on the strings-you mentioned that they weren't very good currently...Baggs or Barbera have been long time favorites of mine, feed them into some ART Tube MP pre amps or similar and go...

Best regards,

John
 
Re: Poor Man's IEMs - Cabling issues

There are seven of them in the band, so two units would give them eight mixes. If they're turning up to a small festival, I expect it'd be reasonably easy to swap a rack of headphone amps in place of the monitor amplifiers.

Based on the level this band seems to be at, if they turn up to a small festival and say "we need you to patch in 8 mixes of in ears instead of your wedges", they're likely to get laughed at by the sound crew. Good luck with that. And even if the sound crew reluctantly agrees, their IEM mixes will be potentially awful and very different every time. IEM mixes are harder to do than wedge mixes and are more time consuming to create, especially in festival situations, and with no reference (are they going to give a matching set of IEM buds to the ME so he can actually hear what they hear?)

If they are going to go with an in-ear setup, they need to be completely self contained.

This means they should be carrying at minimum:
A poorman's splitter or similar splitter solution
Monitor desk (like a Mixwizard-M version, APB Prorack M, Crest, etc etc)
Some sort of FX unit for verb.
The other IEM gear previously discussed.
Preferably their own mics, at least for vocals

This will then give them consistency. Anything less than this will be a nightmare of unpredictability and not getting what they want.
 
Re: Poor Man's IEMs - Cabling issues

John I've met this band as well and the problems with the cello especially are because the entire instrument is resonating with the general melee surrounding them, IEM or solid body instruments are really theonly way they are going to cope. I suspect the wired IEM route will be the most practical at least it'll mean there is no need for a loud wedge typically 2 feet away from it. They are a good band but the style of music and the venues that they find themselves in don't always make for an easy ride on stage.
G