Tim Duffin Spinoff: Online Forums are Worthless (Was: Carvin Line Array In Stock)

Tim Duffin

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Wow... Tim... I don't know you or have any interest in this beyond having passively followed this topic as it's been growing the past few days... But I'm disappointed.

This community has been such a great place for open sharing and debate of ideas and opinions... Brilliant people coming together with open minds to learn and exchange knowledge.

I'm sure you do good work and work hard to run your business, but with all due respect, your embarrassing us all. Suggesting phrases in quotes from Chinese manufacturers with the (L)s changed to (R)s... Really?

Is that really where you want to take this forum?

When people like JR, Ivan, Per, John C, Kemper & Kristian take time out of their lives to weigh in on a topic, I'm dying to hear what they have to say... I appreciate and look forward everyday to their willingness to share their knowledge and I'm disappointed that all their names now show up alongside your embarrassing comments as the 2nd search result when anyone googles "carvin line array".

You're absolutely entitled to your opinions and I honestly appreciate your willingness to share them. I'm sure you have a large wealth of knowledge and experience to share too, but it's hard to listen when intelligent debate breaks down to such low levels.

Respect-


The value of any online forum conversation is negligible. I have never found any insightful information online which even began to approach that which is learned and experienced offline. In short, placing value in information from people who have no duty to give it to you truthfully makes the person who blindly trusts it equally valueless.

Prus, I rike engrish ;)

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The value of any online forum conversation is negligible. I have never found any insightful information online which even began to approach that which is learned and experienced offline. In short, placing value in information from people who have no duty to give it to you truthfully makes the person who blindly trusts it equally valueless.

Prus, I rike engrish ;)

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Classy... :roll:
 
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The value of any online forum conversation is negligible. I have never found any insightful information online which even began to approach that which is learned and experienced offline. In short, placing value in information from people who have no duty to give it to you truthfully makes the person who blindly trusts it equally valueless.

Prus, I rike engrish ;)

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You have never found ANY useful/insightful information online? Then you must be a lot smarter than the rest of us.

I do agree that there are a lot of people who are simply "full of crap" and will spew out anything that they hear or feel like saying-true or not-based on fact or not.

I however-have learned quite a bit-on all different kinds of subjects-from various forums and discussion via the internet.

The key is to filter out the crap-and apply a little bit of common sense to what some people say. And to only believe credible people-not the "wannabes".
 
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The value of any online forum conversation is negligible. I have never found any insightful information online which even began to approach that which is learned and experienced offline. In short, placing value in information from people who have no duty to give it to you truthfully makes the person who blindly trusts it equally valueless.

Prus, I rike engrish ;)
The value of an online forum directly correlates to the ratio of good:bad information, and the ease of which the good information is separated from the bad. In certain cases it's quite easy to tell the difference - you don't even have to read the post - just the name of the poster.
 
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You have never found ANY useful/insightful information online? Then you must be a lot smarter than the rest of us.

I do agree that there are a lot of people who are simply "full of crap" and will spew out anything that they hear or feel like saying-true or not-based on fact or not.

I however-have learned quite a bit-on all different kinds of subjects-from various forums and discussion via the internet.

The key is to filter out the crap-and apply a little bit of common sense to what some people say. And to only believe credible people-not the "wannabes".

Please re-read the part where I said "forum discussion"...not "online." I find plenty of information online which is useful. I have never found anything of any value in an online forum of any type. Especially with regards to chinese manufactured loudspeakers or cheap line arrays or how to make money in the sound business.
 
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Please re-read the part where I said "forum discussion"...not "online." I find plenty of information online which is useful. I have never found anything of any value in an online forum of any type. Especially with regards to chinese manufactured loudspeakers or cheap line arrays or how to make money in the sound business.

And I will stand by my comment that I HAVE learned quite a bit from all sorts of forum discussions. But maybe I am different than others.

It is hard for me to believe that if nothing can be learned from forum discussions-how come they are so popular.

But I guess for people who know it-it is a different story. It must be nice to be in that category-I wouldn't know.

Like the saying goes. "Those of you who think you know everything- are really annoying to those of us that do".
 
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Funny how all this discussion of Chinese products ignores the fact that Carvin products are assembled in the USA.
 
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Funny how all this discussion of Chinese products ignores the fact that Carvin products are assembled in the USA.


Oh really...

Where exactly are the components within the loudspeakers manufactured? :roll:

It is hard for me to believe that if nothing can be learned from forum discussions-how come they are so popular.


Because average people have a desire to feel important, and that desire manifests itself in many ways when one's life has little importance in the real world. In the online world, one can be anything one chooses simply by pandering to an ever greater audience of minions who wish to feel part of something by ingratiating themselves with praise from like minded group-thinkers. This (and every pro sound forum I have ever seen) Is populated and sustained by them.

I on the other hand, find it entertaining to throw wrenches into well oiled online nerd-machines.
 
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Tim,

I just wanted to chime in here and send some support your way. I’ve been following your rhetoric with great interest ever since your first appearances on Dave’s old, old Live Audio Board. Remember those days? The way you stood up to those industry experts, heavy hitters, and people who had an idea what they were talking about?

You didn’t back down, though. You stuck to your points of view, because this is the Internet! And you get to say stuff! That takes guts. Real balls.

So, thanks. My only suggestion is for you to aim your unique convictions toward yonder iNUKE thread. They could use some of your juju to balance out that particular Chinaphile discussion. Bunch of lame fanboys! Don’t let anyone call you a troll, either. Trolls are ugly and live underneath bridges.

Oh, did you know Mandarin oranges come from China, too? It’s true! I love those little slices, but hate myself for it!

Back to lurk mode. Bye!
 
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Oh really...

Where exactly are the components within the loudspeakers manufactured? :roll:


You'd be hard pressed to find ANY product in any industry that is 100% locally sourced right down to the component and raw material level.
Heck, even locally grown food was probably sprayed with pesticides made overseas, and planted/picked with machinery that contains some components that were not made domestically.

Jason
 
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Oh really...

Where exactly are the components within the loudspeakers manufactured? :roll:



Tim,

Carvin has used Eminence speaker components manufactured in Eminence Kentucky, USA for as long as they have been putting out speaker cabinets.

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Turning in to a really classical thread this. It might not be the most usefull audio-related thread I've read, but it is definitely turning into a good one for anyone interested in psychology :razz:

Thinking about Carvin, Peavey and other solid makes that are not on people's fancy-list, it is funny how often you find this equipment is being used by people that really rely on it for their living, like the one- or two-performer act that travels the country doing the small gigs, never worrying about any backup.
Yesterday my church reverend wanted to throw out a 30-odd year old Peavey bass combo that apparently wasn't working anymore. No, light and no sound. I worked the pots for a few seconds to clear off dust and oxidation, plugged in the bass and there it was. So the on-light was dead, but that was about the only problem. Some friends of mine retired their old Carvin 3-way boxes a few years back because their powered mixer died (different make), and they felt it was time for something fancier. Were they unhappy with the speakers? "No way, but they are old".
It might not be rider-stuff, and not "boutique", but who says it can't be decent and solid and the right choice for someone with more sense than money?
 
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Please re-read the part where I said "forum discussion"...not "online." I find plenty of information online which is useful. I have never found anything of any value in an online forum of any type. Especially with regards to chinese manufactured loudspeakers or cheap rs of
line arrays or how to make money in the sound business.

Interesting. I have acquired first hand information on a number of topics from members of this forum, and others that would take me untold hours of searching, emailing, calling, etc... to otherwise acquire. One note from observing life experiences.... The contrarian often misses the jewels amongst the rocks. Never seen a happy one yet.
YMMV
 
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Interesting. I have acquired first hand information on a number of topics from members of this forum, and others that would take me untold hours of searching, emailing, calling, etc... to otherwise acquire. One note from observing life experiences.... The contrarian often misses the jewels amongst the rocks. Never seen a happy one yet.
YMMV
I'm a contrarian and have my moments of joy, while I do find it hard to stay happy all the time, when paying attention to the world we live in.

It does seem pointless to waste a lot of time on things we can not change. It's hard enough to change ourselves.

JR
 
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I guess that what Tim is trying to convey is that nothing he might ever write on a forum will have any value whatsoever and his only reason for being here is to inflate his ego.

I like to think I'm here to pick up some stuff, share some stuff, ....and maybe be entertained while I'm at it. Discussions aren't just about getting to the one absolute truth, it is also about hearing different arguments, some of them wild, to broaden the mind and look at things from new angles. I am sorry Tim feels he's just feeding the general drivel, I still think it is interesting to get every point of view, also the ones I strongly disagree with.
 
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