Tim Duffin Spinoff: Online Forums are Worthless (Was: Carvin Line Array In Stock)

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John Roberts said:
I'm a contrarian and have my moments of joy, while I do find it hard to stay happy all the time, when paying attention to the world we live in.

It does seem pointless to waste a lot of time on things we can not change. It's hard enough to change ourselves.

JR
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Like most posts, mine was partially about myself. In the past I was contrarian in the sense that I talked more..usually with a negative message, and listened less...so I missed stuff. I have found recently that my views are valued more when more thought happens before the speaking.
 
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John Chiara said:
John Roberts said:
I'm a contrarian and have my moments of joy, while I do find it hard to stay happy all the time, when paying attention to the world we live in.

It does seem pointless to waste a lot of time on things we can not change. It's hard enough to change ourselves.

JR
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Like most posts, mine was partially about myself. In the past I was contrarian in the sense that I talked more..usually with a negative message, and listened less...so I missed stuff. I have found recently that my views are valued more when more thought happens before the speaking.
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Don't confuse "contrarian" which is not a negative bias, but generally opposing and/or questioning the majority or popular wisdom. Contrarian philosophy for investing can be very profitable. Today when everybody is afraid to buy a house, is probably the best opportunity in a generation to be buying. Low interest rate mortgages and prices that can't possibly fall much further, but can surely go up (a bunch), with the inflation caused by yet another round of quantitative easing (3rd QE so far, with no end date announced).

OTOH having a negative or bad attitude in life will program yourself for sub-standard outcomes.

JR
 
Re: Tim Duffin Spinoff: Online Forums are Worthless (Was: Carvin Line Array In Stock)

I'm mostly a lurker on these forums, but I felt compelled to respond to this particular thread.

Tim- I work in software technical support, and I find online forums to be invaluable. There really is no better way for a customer to communicate an issue, have it resolved, and have the whole process displayed to all of your members. Forums help us find bugs, track them, and squash them. I understand that this is not the normal context of the forums that you participate in, but forums also help us discover what our customers really want, and how they want it delivered. I'm sure that there are other "lurkers" out there from other product/service companies that monitor these forums for criticism of their products, so they can make their products better. It seems that any thread you participate in just turns into a flame-war, and everyone is so discouraged by you that they just give up and walk away from the thread. So, in reality, you are the one making the forums useless by turning people away from them.

PS- I was deeply saddened to discover that you are an Eagle Scout, shame on the person who gave you that honor. It's pretty obvious that you are not Helpful, Friendly, or Courteous.
 
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Tim Duffin said:
The value of any online forum conversation is negligible. I have never found any insightful information online which even began to approach that which is learned and experienced offline. In short, placing value in information from people who have no duty to give it to you truthfully makes the person who blindly trusts it equally valueless.

Prus, I rike engrish ;)

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Hmm yeah. I have learned probably about half of what I need to do to pull off a concert these days from online resources, and have been an "enthusiast" since about the mid 70's (about 15 y.o.). You could say online forums helped me to revamp my overall knowledge from the late 90's to now. The other half from personal experience and from working with professionals and musicians much bigger than myself. But yeah, most of the time these days I run in "cruise control" and am overkill for most of the smaller operations I get involved in.

Forums like this are something we didn't have though before the late 90's. These days, guys with little or no experience can benefit from "fly-by-wire" use of online forums, although nothing will replace actual experience in the end. All the forums can do is point you in the right direction. Then it is up to you to learn. I am sure you will find a well-moderated forum is more worth your while, but with this group - and one other one I can think of - it is not even an issue.

So what was your original point?
 
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Chris Davis said:
Hmm yeah. I have learned probably about half of what I need to do to pull off a concert these days from online resources, and have been an "enthusiast" since about the mid 70's (about 15 y.o.). You could say online forums helped me to revamp my overall knowledge from the late 90's to now. The other half from personal experience and from working with professionals and musicians much bigger than myself. But yeah, most of the time these days I run in "cruise control" and am overkill for most of the smaller operations I get involved in.

Forums like this are something we didn't have though before the late 90's. These days, guys with little or no experience can benefit from "fly-by-wire" use of online forums, although nothing will replace actual experience in the end. All the forums can do is point you in the right direction. Then it is up to you to learn. I am sure you will find a well-moderated forum is more worth your while, but with this group - and one other one I can think of - it is not even an issue.

So what was your original point?
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My original point was deleted, along with some very interesting information I posted about chinese manufacturing and off brand speakers. Obviously this forum must to delete posts which threaten advertising revenue--another reason I think forums are useless.

And by the way, a long time ago on another forum, I made huge disparaging remarks about this line array I hated which was manufactured by Bassmaxx. There was a flurry of people defending this retarded attempt a speaker design and I could not for the life of me figure out why anyone in their right mind would defend and recommend such a terrible, unsafe, harsh and naive attempt at a professional product. It turns out that even though I was right; every single time I have heard that line array, it sounded like the biggest pile of barely slapped together, un-engineered, worthless crap I have ever heard in my life, the people who defended the manufacturer were those who profited from Bassmaxx advertisement on their websites or got Bassmaxx speakers at a discount. Everyone knows the system sucks, but their voices are muted because they have been paid to not say anything-- or my favorite trick: "hiring" well known audio guys for "system tuning" in exchange for favorable industry reviews...
 
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Tim Duffin said:
My original point was deleted, along with some very interesting information I posted about chinese manufacturing and off brand speakers. Obviously this forum must to delete posts which threaten advertising revenue--another reason I think forums are useless.

And by the way, a long time ago on another forum, I made huge disparaging remarks about this line array I hated which was manufactured by Bassmaxx. There was a flurry of people defending this retarded attempt a speaker design and I could not for the life of me figure out why anyone in their right mind would defend and recommend such a terrible, unsafe, harsh and naive attempt at a professional product. It turns out that even though I was right; every single time I have heard that line array, it sounded like the biggest pile of barely slapped together, un-engineered, worthless crap I have ever heard in my life, the people who defended the manufacturer were those who profited from Bassmaxx advertisement on their websites or got Bassmaxx speakers at a discount. Everyone knows the system sucks, but their voices are muted because they have been paid to not say anything-- or my favorite trick: "hiring" well known audio guys for "system tuning" in exchange for favorable industry reviews...
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Are you actually not aware that this thread was spun off from the former thread where you nonsense is still intact in all it's xenophobic glory?

You seem to hold other people (and forums) in low regard.

Good luck with that... You often get back from people how you treat them .

JR
 
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Chris Davis said:
Forums like this are something we didn't have though before the late 90's. These days, guys with little or no experience can benefit from "fly-by-wire" use of online forums, although nothing will replace actual experience in the end. All the forums can do is point you in the right direction. Then it is up to you to learn.
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+1. I am very new to this business (less than three years), and I could not possibly have developed at the rate that I have without always being able to volley a question to the forum. There have always been useless responses, but the ones that were useful ring in at priceless.
 
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Tim Duffin said:
<snip> It turns out that even though I was right; every single time I have heard that line array, it sounded like the biggest pile of barely slapped together, un-engineered, worthless crap I have ever heard in my life, the people who defended the manufacturer were those who profited from Bassmaxx advertisement on their websites or got Bassmaxx speakers at a discount. Everyone knows the system sucks, but their voices are muted because they have been paid to not say anything-- or my favorite trick: "hiring" well known audio guys for "system tuning" in exchange for favorable industry reviews...
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You know Tim, you might be right, but only because it is like that in real life as well. I get fed crap on a regular basis in real life, often having people lying to my face even when they should know that their bluff can be easily called. Good people and good information is often hard to find, and chances are that the right person with the right info is too far away to be found in any other way than through the net, and might just as well be found in a forum than anywhere else.
 
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Per Søvik said:
You know Tim, you might be right, but only because it is like that in real life as well. I get fed crap on a regular basis in real life, often having people lying to my face even when they should know that their bluff can be easily called. Good people and good information is often hard to find, and chances are that the right person with the right info is too far away to be found in any other way than through the net, and might just as well be found in a forum than anywhere else.
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Not to reopen Tim's personal can of worms, one of the things I like about large scale sound reinforcement is that it is much harder to BS thousands of people at the same time that something sounds good when it doesn't.

Any product that has significant commercial success over time must be merchantable or serviceable to a large enough customer base or it will collapse due to bad word of mouth.

There are some subjective trade-offs in low bass loudspeaker design philosophy that may explain valid differences of opinion.

JR
 
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John Roberts said:
Not to reopen Tim's personal can of worms, one of the things I like about large scale sound reinforcement is that it is much harder to BS thousands of people at the same time that something sounds good when it doesn't.

Any product that has significant commercial success over time must be merchantable or serviceable to a large enough customer base or it will collapse due to bad word of mouth.

There are some subjective trade-offs in low bass loudspeaker design philosophy that may explain valid differences of opinion.

JR
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Plus one is getting old, so I'm gonna go with...

Yup.
 
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Tim Duffin said:
The value of any online forum conversation is negligible. I have never found any insightful information online which even began to approach that which is learned and experienced offline. In short, placing value in information from people who have no duty to give it to you truthfully makes the person who blindly trusts it equally valueless.

Prus, I rike engrish ;)

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Ok Tim, time for me to feed the troll. First off I pretty much always enjoy reading your posts. I don't necessarily share your perspective most of the time but your comments are always well written and from an educated and experienced point of view. Sometimes it makes me go "Hmmmmmm, I never thought of that" and other times it just makes me wonder who relieved themself in your cereal. Either way there is value for me if nothing more than entertainment alone but it usually makes me think for a moment. That being said everyone always gets what they are looking for in a forum or they don't stick around. I am sure you get what you are looking for, even if it is not insightful information or you would be gone as well.

What is insightful information? I personally have given some good advice, gotten some good advice, and been corrected on some bad advice I gave (which falls under the gotten some good advice catagory also). I learned and actually understand why I blew up 2 amps when I connected them to house power with an open neutral. I have bought, sold, traded, and rented gear with several members I only know from this forum. I have reconnected with a friend I had lost touch with for years here. All of this is insightful information to me, but then again that is what I look for when I come here.

-Eric
 
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Tim Duffin said:
My original point was deleted, along with some very interesting information I posted about chinese manufacturing and off brand speakers. Obviously this forum must to delete posts which threaten advertising revenue--another reason I think forums are useless.

And by the way, a long time ago on another forum, I made huge disparaging remarks about this line array I hated which was manufactured by Bassmaxx. There was a flurry of people defending this retarded attempt a speaker design and I could not for the life of me figure out why anyone in their right mind would defend and recommend such a terrible, unsafe, harsh and naive attempt at a professional product. It turns out that even though I was right; every single time I have heard that line array, it sounded like the biggest pile of barely slapped together, un-engineered, worthless crap I have ever heard in my life, the people who defended the manufacturer were those who profited from Bassmaxx advertisement on their websites or got Bassmaxx speakers at a discount. Everyone knows the system sucks, but their voices are muted because they have been paid to not say anything-- or my favorite trick: "hiring" well known audio guys for "system tuning" in exchange for favorable industry reviews...
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Gotcha. Well now that I think about it there was another thread you had that raised some eyebrows, about Crown amps all being useless junk (or something to that effect). If I get the time tomorrow maybe I will try to find it. It's probably been mothballed though, after all the forum revisions.
 
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