Analog to Digital multi-track device

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Jared Koopman

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Hi,

May be a dumb question for what should I use to multi-track record from the direct outputs of my Mackie Onyx 24.4?

There is the A&H Ice-16 but that is limited to 16 tracks and records internally. I am trying to find a solution that would send all 24 tracks to my computer and use the computer to track.

Any other suggestions?
 
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It's a tough one, you have got the Motu 24, but that needs an expansion slot on the computer or another Motu unit to connect to Firewire.
Then of course you have the Alesis HD24 or the Joeco if you want free-standing recording.
There is of course another solution that begins with X, and it might be silly to spend a great deal of money to multitrack from an analogue mixer when there are (better?) solutions at a reasonable price. I was close to getting a Motu 24 two years ago, but decided to wait for B to release the X
 
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Already have the X32...just trying to come up with a solution for the Mackie too. :)

I suppose the "cheapest" option would be to use 3 Behringer ADA8000's and send that into an ADAT card like the RME HDSPe RayDAT. Or to refrain from using B products, an M-Audio Profire 2626 or the Motu mentioned above.

Honestly the Ice-16 is probably the best most cost effective solution and I would just have to limit it to 16 channels...or use 2 units.
 
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The cheapest solution if you can get by with only 16 channels might be the Cymatic LR-16, but I don't think you can sync two units.
You could of course expand your X32 inventory with a X32Rack and a S16, wouldn't be the most expensive 32 channel interface in the world :)~:)~:smile:
 
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The Alesis HD24 has been rock solid as a stand alone 24 track recorder for me. The Alesis Fireport will get you into your computer after the recording through firewire. I believe the Mackie Onyx you have has the direct outs on three D25 cables if I remember correctly the last time I recorded from one. You can sync several recorders if you ever want more tracks. I have ran two for 48 tracks several times and never had any problems. If you decide to go that route I have a complete set up with the Fireport, D25 cables, and the remote that I never use anymore that I would make you a deal on.
 
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Eric Cagle said:
The Alesis HD24 has been rock solid as a stand alone 24 track recorder for me. ...
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+1. Been rock solid for me for years. Never failed to record a show reliably as long as I turn it on before the show and off afterwards. There's a great support community online at Yahoo Groups for those cases when someone yanks the plug before you stop the recorder (I hate to admit how many times I have done this to myself, but I have always ben able to recover the audio). Used, they can be found cheaper than 3 new ADA8000s.

There are a few quirks, like the clock is off at 44K, but just use 48K and it will sync fine to video.
 
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Mark McFarlane said:
+1. Been rock solid for me for years. Never failed to record a show reliably as long as I turn it on before the show and off afterwards. There's a great support community online at Yahoo Groups for those cases when someone yanks the plug before you stop the recorder (I hate to admit how many times I have done this to myself, but I have always ben able to recover the audio). Used, they can be found cheaper than 3 new ADA8000s.

There are a few quirks, like the clock is off at 44K, but just use 48K and it will sync fine to video.
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Yeah, they are great units but I find the ftp-server to slow and to be a pain crashing when transfering large projects so I use the hd24-tool to transfer the files instead.

Stoppning the recording on the x32 with its usb-record is easy to forget as well. Last week I spent an hour to rescue some recording that I forgot to stop before power down...
 
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Jared Koopman said:
Already have the X32...just trying to come up with a solution for the Mackie too. :)

I suppose the "cheapest" option would be to use 3 Behringer ADA8000's and send that into an ADAT card like the RME HDSPe RayDAT. Or to refrain from using B products, an M-Audio Profire 2626 or the Motu mentioned above.

Honestly the Ice-16 is probably the best most cost effective solution and I would just have to limit it to 16 channels...or use 2 units.
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The easy solution would have been for Mackie to put a FW expansion slot in the 24 like the have in the 16! Stupid!!
 
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Robert Lofgren said:
Yeah, they are great units but I find the ftp-server to slow and to be a pain crashing when transfering large projects so I use the hd24-tool to transfer the files instead....
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I'll take this a step further and say that the ftp transfer is useless, don't buy an HD-24 without the fireport caddy.
 
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Tim Padrick said:
Don't forget the old Mackie HDR24/96.
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Note, The Mackie and Alesis HD24 are both discontinued products.

I don't know what kind of residual support is available for the Mackie, but there is a very strong HD24 community in Yahoo Groups that tests new drives (IDE and SATA), new caddies, will help you fix a power supply or diagnose a problem, find a quieter fan,.... There is also a software developer who independently has continued development of his own software to write/read songs off the HD24, Mix onn the fly off the hard disk, even recover corrupted recordings (like a plug pulled mid show). Much better software than Alesis ever had. The software is continually updated,... There are aftermarket mods the the power supply, and A/D/A circuits.

It's a shame that the HD24 is no longer produced. My suspicion is that some critical parts are no longer made and no one wanted to spend the effort to redesign it. Considering that newer digital consoles have built in recording, the market for weekend warrior harddisk recorders has probably shrunk.
 
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Mark McFarlane said:
Note, The Mackie and Alesis HD24 are both discontinued products.

I don't know what kind of residual support is available for the Mackie, but there is a very strong HD24 community in Yahoo Groups that tests new drives (IDE and SATA), new caddies, will help you fix a power supply or diagnose a problem, find a quieter fan,.... There is also a software developer who independently has continued development of his own software to write/read songs off the HD24, Mix onn the fly off the hard disk, even recover corrupted recordings (like a plug pulled mid show). Much better software than Alesis ever had. The software is continually updated,... There are aftermarket mods the the power supply, and A/D/A circuits.

It's a shame that the HD24 is no longer produced. My suspicion is that some critical parts are no longer made and no one wanted to spend the effort to redesign it. Considering that newer digital consoles have built in recording, the market for weekend warrior harddisk recorders has probably shrunk.
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This is probably on point. Almost every digital mixer has either the option to or built in multi-track recording. Again I was just trying to see what was available to use with my analog system. I am thinking the A&H is the way I want to go with this. If my customers want more than they just need to rent the X32. :)

Thanks for all the input!
Jared
 
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Mark McFarlane said:
Note, The Mackie and Alesis HD24 are both discontinued products.

I don't know what kind of residual support is available for the Mackie, but there is a very strong HD24 community in Yahoo Groups that tests new drives (IDE and SATA), new caddies, will help you fix a power supply or diagnose a problem, find a quieter fan,.... There is also a software developer who independently has continued development of his own software to write/read songs off the HD24, Mix onn the fly off the hard disk, even recover corrupted recordings (like a plug pulled mid show). Much better software than Alesis ever had. The software is continually updated,... There are aftermarket mods the the power supply, and A/D/A circuits.

It's a shame that the HD24 is no longer produced. My suspicion is that some critical parts are no longer made and no one wanted to spend the effort to redesign it. Considering that newer digital consoles have built in recording, the market for weekend warrior harddisk recorders has probably shrunk.
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The advent of cheap DAWs killed the studio hardware recorder market. The live recording world has kept the HD24 alive to this point, but the current crop of Live consoles with direct multi-track recording capabilities will probably be the nail in the coffin. It's a shame really. I love my HD24s. But my new X32s have made them completely unnecessary so they'll be going up on Fleabay within the month....
 
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brian maddox said:
The advent of cheap DAWs killed the studio hardware recorder market. The live recording world has kept the HD24 alive to this point, but the current crop of Live consoles with direct multi-track recording capabilities will probably be the nail in the coffin. It's a shame really. I love my HD24s. But my new X32s have made them completely unnecessary so they'll be going up on Fleabay within the month....
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But I bet there is a HUGE market for an affordable AES50 48 track recorder :)~:)~:smile:
 
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