holy crap, what a nightmare

LiamSmith

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Had, what eventually turned out to be, a great gig the other day.

But, it started as a nightmare. Local power outage put us 2 hours back. Band shows up late.

13 piece funk band (they're fantastic, by the way), 6 singers all singing leads on different songs...


NO SOUNDCHECK.

Gah, its been a long time since my gain structure was so messy. But, during the first set break I got it all worked out and fixed it. The only nagging problem that remained was that I couldn't get the horn player's monitor mixes exactly how they wanted them.

Well, that was mine. What has been everyone else's very first hugely daunting experience?
 
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13 piece funk band.....
The only nagging problem that remained was that I couldn't get the horn player's monitor mixes exactly how they wanted them.
Sounds pretty typical.

What has been everyone else's very first hugely daunting experience?
17 years ago I got married. Definitely daunting, but it as been a great experience.
 
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Its been wet as it gets up here in the northeast. Just did a wedding last weekend that was a mud pit. Conditions cut into set up time and made it a mad dash and load out was even more messy.
Not going to complain too much with the reports of fires and extremely hot conditions in the rest of the U.S though.
 
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Not going to complain too much with the reports of fires and extremely hot conditions in the rest of the U.S though.

We expect 112 degrees tomorrow for our show. Gonna suck big time! We of course have a small chance of thunderstorms tomorrow also. So, imagine being outside in 112 degree weather for 15 hours with some moisture in the air. All I can say is that it is hard to breath.
 
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Had, what eventually turned out to be, a great gig the other day.

But, it started as a nightmare. Local power outage put us 2 hours back. Band shows up late.

Had a similar situation. Power went out at 2:00. Original estimate was power to come on at 3:45. Fire department came along and said 6:00 was more realistic. Called and got an emergency generator delivered within 28 minutes. Band scheduled to start at 4:00 started on time, with no delay. 7:00 band ran on regular house power. Fun weekend was had by all.
 
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Well, that was mine. What has been everyone else's very first hugely daunting experience?

My first "come to Jesus" show was my first National act-Molly Hatchet. BOY did I ever learn a lot that day--------------------------------

And thus began a long series of "lessons".

The thing about most "headache" gigs is that at the moment they are a real pain in the tail-BUT you can learn a lot from them-to help avoid those issues later on.

Take it a learning lesson-not as a "problem".
 
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Thanks Ivan, and everyone. I try to come away from every gig having learned something and always with a positive attitude. I like to think that's why people hire me back.

Also, Ivan... I've asked this before... But have you ever given thought to writing a book chronicling your life in sound? I'd read the hell out of it.
 
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Thanks Ivan, and everyone. I try to come away from every gig having learned something and always with a positive attitude. I like to think that's why people hire me back.

Also, Ivan... I've asked this before... But have you ever given thought to writing a book chronicling your life in sound? I'd read the hell out of it.

i think someone should compile a 'gig stories' book. when i was younger i used to love hearing all the gig stories from the 'old guys'. now i'm the old guy telling them. :) but i love hearing them from others as well....

there could be an entire chapter with stories that start with the phrase 'so there was pyro...'.
 
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OK, here's the first nightmare gig that popped into my head.

Few years back, fair ground gig. It had been raining long enough to turn the track between the stage and grandstands into a mud bog, truck got sideways on the in, mud all over everything, one of "those days". Headliner is an up and coming Nashville act. Female front, decent but not especially strong. Guitarist is well known in that circle. He has an old Twin that has had many mods to get "his" sound, including no master volume. You see this coming, right?

Sure enough, all I hear for the first three songs is audience commentary, they're being so helpful letting me know that they can't hear the vocal. I'm quite aware of this, but smile and nod, "we're working on that, thanks!", for as long as I can take. At some point, right about the time someone hands me my first meal of the day, the complaints are getting serious as well they should, because all I'm getting in the star vox channel is guitar with some vocal in it.

So I leave FOH, walk across the mud bog to the stage. I get gtr's attention, make the universal hand and body motions pleading for him to turn down. He gives me the evil glare and shakes his head slowly and all menacing, like there's no way he's going to turn down and sacrifice his tone. At this point I did the most unprofessional thing I think I have done in my career. I tell my monitor guy, "hold my blooming onion" and shove him out of the way. Grab the knob for gtr in his mix and peg that mo'f'er. Definitely have his attention now. We have a rather heated pantomined discussion about turning stuff down, he is NOT going to give in.

I'm boiling by this point, my blooming onion is getting cold, I have no desire to go back to FOH and listen to 90 minutes of complaints to say nothing about a bad mix, so I leave the stage and go directly to the backstage area where artist management is hanging out. I grab the guy, "come with me", and walk him out to the house and ask him what he thinks. He immediately says there's too much guitar. No shit. I show him the gtr channel is off, cue up the star vox, and slam the cans on his head. Eyes get really wide, mouth drops, "wow".

We leave FOH unattended again and go back across the mud bog to stage right where we can hear to have a conversation. I find out that this is a hired gun gtr and this is their first stop with him. After explaining what had transpired, it's also his last. Fired.

As a post script, we were having dinner with a well known Nashville act's BE a few years later and this story came up. The BE says, "that sounds like (guy's name), nobody will work with him anymore". I got the feeling this was a guy on his way down, working with an up and comer instead of the name acts he was used to at the time. And "hold my blooming onion" became one of those catch-phrases among the crew.
 
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OK, here's the first nightmare gig that popped into my head. Few years back, fair ground gig. It had been raining long enough to turn the track between the stage and grandstands into a mud bog, truck got sideways on the in, mud all over everything, one of "those days". Headliner is an up and coming Nashville act. Female front, decent but not especially strong. Guitarist is well known in that circle. He has an old Twin that has had many mods to get "his" sound, including no master volume. You see this coming, right? Sure enough, all I hear for the first three songs is audience commentary, they're being so helpful letting me know that they can't hear the vocal. I'm quite aware of this, but smile and nod, "we're working on that, thanks!", for as long as I can take. At some point, right about the time someone hands me my first meal of the day, the complaints are getting serious as well they should, because all I'm getting in the star vox channel is guitar with some vocal in it. So I leave FOH, walk across the mud bog to the stage. I get gtr's attention, make the universal hand and body motions pleading for him to turn down. He gives me the evil glare and shakes his head slowly and all menacing, like there's no way he's going to turn down and sacrifice his tone. At this point I did the most unprofessional thing I think I have done in my career. I tell my monitor guy, "hold my blooming onion" and shove him out of the way. Grab the knob for gtr in his mix and peg that mo'f'er. Definitely have his attention now. We have a rather heated pantomined discussion about turning stuff down, he is NOT going to give in. I'm boiling by this point, my blooming onion is getting cold, I have no desire to go back to FOH and listen to 90 minutes of complaints to say nothing about a bad mix, so I leave the stage and go directly to the backstage area where artist management is hanging out. I grab the guy, "come with me", and walk him out to the house and ask him what he thinks. He immediately says there's too much guitar. No shit. I show him the gtr channel is off, cue up the star vox, and slam the cans on his head. Eyes get really wide, mouth drops, "wow". We leave FOH unattended again and go back across the mud bog to stage right where we can hear to have a conversation. I find out that this is a hired gun gtr and this is their first stop with him. After explaining what had transpired, it's also his last. Fired.
As a post script, we were having dinner with a well known Nashville act's BE a few years later and this story came up. The BE says, "that sounds like (guy's name), nobody will work with him anymore". I got the feeling this was a guy on his way down, working with an up and comer instead of the name acts he was used to at the time. And "hold my blooming onion" became one of those catch-phrases among the crew.


PARAGRAPHS!!!!

I'm not even looking through this jumble for a laugh.....
 
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At this point I did the most unprofessional thing I think I have done in my career. I tell my monitor guy, "hold my blooming onion" and shove him out of the way. Grab the knob for gtr in his mix and peg that mo'f'er. Definitely have his attention now.
I did kinda the same thing once. It was with a A level Mexican band that had an accordian player who just kept wanting more and more monitor. I was holding it on the edge of feedback (which was coming and going).

Finally I had had enough and just turned up the level of his accordian in his monitor until it was just constant feedback. Every body started holding their ears on stage and the band stopped playing. No big deal-there were only about 5,000 people there----------------

So I walked out to the guy and said "Is it loud enough for you NOW!".

I walked back to the monitor console and turned down the level to where it was stable and he never asked for any more monitor the rest of the show :)

Come to find out later-this was typical behavoir for this player
 
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Thanks Ivan, and everyone. I try to come away from every gig having learned something and always with a positive attitude. I like to think that's why people hire me back.

Also, Ivan... I've asked this before... But have you ever given thought to writing a book chronicling your life in sound? I'd read the hell out of it.
I have thought about it-but while i have a lot of "war stories", there are MANY MANY more out there for so many other people.

It is a wild and crazy business and some things you just can't believe happening-but they do. Just part of the job. And it happens on all levels of the business-from the small clubs to large concerts. The range of stupidity is simple amazing.

And then there are great stories associated with the business that have nothing to do with the business.

The weirdest thing I ever did vehicle wise was on a early Sunday morning (around 5am) during Feburary starting to go up a steep mountain in Tenn. Mount Eagle between Nashville and Chattanoga).

The fan belt on the 24' truck broke. NOW we have a problem. It is cold outside-and the engine won't circulate the radiator fluid-so we can't stay warm. So we started thinking one guy mentioned he had heard about using pantyhose for a fan belt-but I reminded him that we left all the girls back at the show----------------.

But we do have DUCT TAPE! So we dug through the back to get to the work box to get it.

I doubled it over on itself (sticky side to sticky side) put it on. We filled the radiator with the cold water running off the mountain.

I started it up and IT WAS TURNING THE WATER PUMP! We let it run until the temp came down then started up the mountain.

We made it almost to the top when it broke-because I could see the temp starting to rise. But being a large engine--to takes awhile to heat up-so we kept going.

So we pulled into a Waffle house-had breakfast and asked around for a truck parts place. We found one a mile down the road and he had the belt in stock. We had to put it own ourselves since he did not have a mechanic available-but no big deal-we just asked to pull the truck into his bay so it would be a bit warmer.

YES that is a TRUE story. So I made a fanbelt out of duct tape and climbed a mountain with it on a kinda large truck.
 
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Don't you have this button to the right of my 'Ä'?

Why, yes, I do!

Check it out.

Now I can make paragraphs.

And I could indent with the space bar. Should probably use this thing for stuff other than stage mix more often.

If I get REALLY bored I'll go fix the post just so Dick can decipher that jumbled mess.

Because clearly he is incapable of deciphering it, too much strain on those old eyes!

:^)

I feel your pain, Dick, I can't see anything anymore either...
 
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It was well worth reading.

I shoot concert video, and the vast majority of the concerts I shoot are for the School of Rock. This is an after-school program for kids age 7 to 18. It gets them on stage, in real venues, playing rock for a paying audience.

I wish every band had been through this program. The teachers are all veteran musicians, and they make it clear that prima donnas are not tolerated. The kids get on stage, plug into the school's amp and just play - no whining about their "tone". Which is mostly BS - I know some really amazing players, and the truth is their tone is in their fingers.
 
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At this point I did the most unprofessional thing I think I have done in my career. I tell my monitor guy, "hold my blooming onion" and shove him out of the way. Grab the knob for gtr in his mix and peg that mo'f'er. Definitely have his attention now. We have a rather heated pantomined discussion about turning stuff down, he is NOT going to give in.

You went easy on him IMO.

Every company has to have it's one liners. A few that I have coined include "I don't give a **** about your burnt CDs" and "Sorry, that's not in the artistic vision".
 
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It was well worth reading.

I shoot concert video, and the vast majority of the concerts I shoot are for the School of Rock. This is an after-school program for kids age 7 to 18. It gets them on stage, in real venues, playing rock for a paying audience.

I wish every band had been through this program. The teachers are all veteran musicians, and they make it clear that prima donnas are not tolerated. The kids get on stage, plug into the school's amp and just play - no whining about their "tone". Which is mostly BS - I know some really amazing players, and the truth is their tone is in their fingers.

Wow, that sounds really cool, has the program got a website?

EDIT: Found it, too obvious to think that was it ;)~;-)~:wink:
 
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A few years ago, I was lowering a speaker on a stand and the Tele-Lock (I think they were tele-locks, can't remember) mechanism broke and wen't loose, causing the speaker to fall on my head without warning giving me a concussion. Now that was a nightmare, lol.