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<blockquote data-quote="Charlie Zureki" data-source="post: 33875" data-attributes="member: 153">Re: 2011 U.S. Budget Cut in Perspective&nbsp;&nbsp; Hello..&nbsp; &nbsp; That&nbsp; 1 Trillion dollar amount has been held up by some as the unquestionable and absolute truth... &nbsp; &nbsp; It has been shown to be nonsense, and according to a Report by Brown University, the Cost of War in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakastan is currently&nbsp; 3.2 to 4 Trillion Dollars.&nbsp; &nbsp; The Nobel Prize winner of Economics ....Joseph Stigliz says that according to his studies &quot;the cost is close to 3 Trillion.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; Which of course does not take into account the cost of financing this 3 Trillion Dollar Expenditures. &nbsp;&nbsp; Social program spending is the Elephant??&nbsp;&nbsp; What ya got?&nbsp;&nbsp; Social Security?&nbsp; OK...throw all of the drunks, fakers, and cripples off and make them find a job.&nbsp; Do you have any studies that would indicate exactly how much this would save?&nbsp; Because I don&#039;t...nobody does.&nbsp; But, I&#039;m guessing that while it would be worth persuing....it won&#039;t save the kind of amounts that some would have us believe.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; To the retired recipients of Social Security...cut their money?&nbsp; Bullshit...they already paid into the system...for better or worse, the Country NEEDS to HONOR this agreement.&nbsp;&nbsp; How about those with over some dollar amount in assets, be denied collecting Social Security Retirement payments? &nbsp; Let&#039;s limit Medicaid to only those working poor CITIZENS, that cannot afford high Medical Bills..not office visits, but more serious health problems.&nbsp; &nbsp; Don&#039;t touch medicare for the retires, again, unless they have over a specific amount in assets, then, they&#039;d either be denied or they would pay a share of their Medical costs. &nbsp;&nbsp; Scrap this &quot;Health Plan&quot;, because some Large Corporations have already been exempted and the only REAL winners are the Insurance Companies.&nbsp; Better yet, tie-in the individuals Medical Expenses to their Retirement Benefits....the more you&#039;ve used in Medical Expenses...the less your Social Security or Pension Benefits. &nbsp;&nbsp; Government Pensions...let&#039;s limit those pensions to ONE PAYOUT per customer.&nbsp; End the double, triple, or quadruple dipping. &nbsp;&nbsp; The Government should desolve the USPS and utilize Private Business. The USPS is one of a few &quot; American Government owned Corporations&quot;, it is not an Agency of the Government.&nbsp;&nbsp; Reform the Tax CODE. Lay off Hundreds of thousands of IRS workers.&nbsp; &nbsp; There&#039;s plenty of ways to cut the budget... without hurting those that need it most.&nbsp;&nbsp; Hammer</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Charlie Zureki, post: 33875, member: 153"] Re: 2011 U.S. Budget Cut in Perspective Hello.. That 1 Trillion dollar amount has been held up by some as the unquestionable and absolute truth... It has been shown to be nonsense, and according to a Report by Brown University, the Cost of War in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakastan is currently 3.2 to 4 Trillion Dollars. The Nobel Prize winner of Economics ....Joseph Stigliz says that according to his studies "the cost is close to 3 Trillion." Which of course does not take into account the cost of financing this 3 Trillion Dollar Expenditures. Social program spending is the Elephant?? What ya got? Social Security? OK...throw all of the drunks, fakers, and cripples off and make them find a job. Do you have any studies that would indicate exactly how much this would save? Because I don't...nobody does. But, I'm guessing that while it would be worth persuing....it won't save the kind of amounts that some would have us believe. To the retired recipients of Social Security...cut their money? Bullshit...they already paid into the system...for better or worse, the Country NEEDS to HONOR this agreement. How about those with over some dollar amount in assets, be denied collecting Social Security Retirement payments? Let's limit Medicaid to only those working poor CITIZENS, that cannot afford high Medical Bills..not office visits, but more serious health problems. Don't touch medicare for the retires, again, unless they have over a specific amount in assets, then, they'd either be denied or they would pay a share of their Medical costs. Scrap this "Health Plan", because some Large Corporations have already been exempted and the only REAL winners are the Insurance Companies. Better yet, tie-in the individuals Medical Expenses to their Retirement Benefits....the more you've used in Medical Expenses...the less your Social Security or Pension Benefits. Government Pensions...let's limit those pensions to ONE PAYOUT per customer. End the double, triple, or quadruple dipping. The Government should desolve the USPS and utilize Private Business. The USPS is one of a few " American Government owned Corporations", it is not an Agency of the Government. Reform the Tax CODE. Lay off Hundreds of thousands of IRS workers. There's plenty of ways to cut the budget... without hurting those that need it most. Hammer [/QUOTE]

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