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<blockquote data-quote="Jeff Babcock" data-source="post: 27175" data-attributes="member: 46">Re: Anybody here work with...........&nbsp;Steve,This promoter sounds sketchy.&nbsp; As Dave A said, be wary of being manipulated as a tool to drive price competition.&nbsp; If the promoter doesn&#039;t understand (or even want to understand) that production costs can vary tremendously based on the rider, then that&#039;s not a good sign.&nbsp; Even if you do get the gigs, it sounds like you could end up in a situation where you&#039;re caught between providing what was paid for and trying to make the band happy.&nbsp;&nbsp; Good luck going back to the promoter for more money when you can&#039;t meet the rider, he&#039;ll want you to eat that cost.&nbsp; It&#039;s not always just a matter of being good at what you do.&nbsp; Circumstances like these can easily compromise the &quot;ideal&quot; picture you may have in your head about expanding your budding company into higher profile gigs.&nbsp; Your strategy of coming here to get a head&#039;s up on some of these specific acts is fine, but is not a good long term strategy.Also don&#039;t forget that some of the BE&#039;s for these acts have existing connections to production companies other than your own.&nbsp; If they have any say in the matter, they are going to go with what they already know.&nbsp; Trying to operate as a loss-leader in order to sway the promoter and talent based on the cost argument is a slippery slope.I don&#039;t want to be Debbie Downer, but you really need to tread carefully.&nbsp; I sincerely wish you well, it&#039;s a rough road.CheersJeff</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeff Babcock, post: 27175, member: 46"] Re: Anybody here work with........... Steve, This promoter sounds sketchy. As Dave A said, be wary of being manipulated as a tool to drive price competition. If the promoter doesn't understand (or even want to understand) that production costs can vary tremendously based on the rider, then that's not a good sign. Even if you do get the gigs, it sounds like you could end up in a situation where you're caught between providing what was paid for and trying to make the band happy. Good luck going back to the promoter for more money when you can't meet the rider, he'll want you to eat that cost. It's not always just a matter of being good at what you do. Circumstances like these can easily compromise the "ideal" picture you may have in your head about expanding your budding company into higher profile gigs. Your strategy of coming here to get a head's up on some of these specific acts is fine, but is not a good long term strategy. Also don't forget that some of the BE's for these acts have existing connections to production companies other than your own. If they have any say in the matter, they are going to go with what they already know. Trying to operate as a loss-leader in order to sway the promoter and talent based on the cost argument is a slippery slope. I don't want to be Debbie Downer, but you really need to tread carefully. I sincerely wish you well, it's a rough road. Cheers Jeff [/QUOTE]

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