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<blockquote data-quote="kristianjohnsen" data-source="post: 26233" data-attributes="member: 441">Re: Apple Loses My Respect&nbsp;&nbsp;Langston.&nbsp;First of all:&nbsp; If I had issues with my phone storing where I had travelled I probably wouldn&#039;t have posted the map online...&nbsp;But on to the issue:&nbsp; The general issue of monitoring and surveilance of the average citizen is a hot topic in Europe at the moment, also.&nbsp; There was just passed a law which extended the time period that the mobile phone networks and ISPs can store the records of your traffic.&nbsp; But this is just peanuts, already, compared to traffic cameras, electronic toll booth tokens, electronic payment and discount cards to whatever, etc, etc, etc.&nbsp; It all happens one small increment at the time, each one not seeming so serious or dangerous.&nbsp;The real issue for me, as JR alluded to, is not the fact that my ISP &quot;knows&quot; who I&#039;ve emailed (even if that irritates me) and so on, but what can be done with all this information at some point down the road when society changes:&nbsp; We can all imagine what had happened to the partisan movement all over Europe if the Nazis had access to this kind of technology.&nbsp; And if this technology was available in 1935, 5 years before the war, I&#039;m sure it would have been implemented back then, too (&quot;it&#039;s all safe - war isn&#039;t looming&quot; etc, etc).&nbsp;I wonder how long before the insurance companies lawfully get their hands on our DNA-profiles.&nbsp; It&#039;s off limits now, but sadly, all it might take is another &quot;gamechanging&quot; event like 9-11, and public opinion will be swayed toward &quot;temporarily releasing it to catch the terrorists&quot; - and that will take generations and generations to rectify, and even then it won&#039;t completely wipe the slate.&nbsp;We all need to be aware of these things, thanks for bringing this up.&nbsp; &nbsp;FWIW, the anti surveilance-crowd here repeatedly point at the US and &quot;Homeland Security&quot; after 9-11 to illustrate what they don&#039;t wish to happen here.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kristianjohnsen, post: 26233, member: 441"] Re: Apple Loses My Respect Langston. First of all: If I had issues with my phone storing where I had travelled I probably wouldn't have posted the map online... But on to the issue: The general issue of monitoring and surveilance of the average citizen is a hot topic in Europe at the moment, also. There was just passed a law which extended the time period that the mobile phone networks and ISPs can store the records of your traffic. But this is just peanuts, already, compared to traffic cameras, electronic toll booth tokens, electronic payment and discount cards to whatever, etc, etc, etc. It all happens one small increment at the time, each one not seeming so serious or dangerous. The real issue for me, as JR alluded to, is not the fact that my ISP "knows" who I've emailed (even if that irritates me) and so on, but what can be done with all this information at some point down the road when society changes: We can all imagine what had happened to the partisan movement all over Europe if the Nazis had access to this kind of technology. And if this technology was available in 1935, 5 years before the war, I'm sure it would have been implemented back then, too ("it's all safe - war isn't looming" etc, etc). I wonder how long before the insurance companies lawfully get their hands on our DNA-profiles. It's off limits now, but sadly, all it might take is another "gamechanging" event like 9-11, and public opinion will be swayed toward "temporarily releasing it to catch the terrorists" - and that will take generations and generations to rectify, and even then it won't completely wipe the slate. We all need to be aware of these things, thanks for bringing this up. FWIW, the anti surveilance-crowd here repeatedly point at the US and "Homeland Security" after 9-11 to illustrate what they don't wish to happen here. [/QUOTE]

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