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<blockquote data-quote="Peter Morris" data-source="post: 214532" data-attributes="member: 652"><p>Helge,</p><p></p><p>I agree with you about the EAW QX5 and have often thought the same. I also understand your point about a quick ground stack PA; hence my reference to the Renkus Heinz ST range in post 36. The other one is Tannoy’s VQ 60 / 100 which uses a BMS 4594 (I think) <a href="https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/27192424/vq-100-tannoy" target="_blank">https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/27192424/vq-100-tannoy</a></p><p></p><p>The problem with a ground stack solution is getting the horn up high enough. This is more important than the advantages of a MTM design in most situations.</p><p></p><p>In this case you will be able to operate the horn from about 450Hz up and most of the spectrum where you need a flat phase point source behaviour will be easily achieved, coming from a single horn, so having a separate LF/MF enclosure will be fine.</p><p></p><p>To me owning a PA company, boxes need to meet a rider spec, and where they don’t need to meet a rider spec they have to fill a need.</p><p></p><p>This is what I have –</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Small show – double 10” with HF950 / 4594He + a single or double 18”</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Medium show – PM90/60 with double 21” or double 14” with 464 + double 21”</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Large Shows – Adamson S10 or Danley J7 (modified 3 way) with S119 subs. The J7’s also serve as delay speaker</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What I call a “Throw and go PA” - double 15” (reflex) + BMS 4592 on a EV HP940. This can be stacked directly on a double 18” or 21” sub for FOH or side fill (with or without a sub) or used as a nice drum fill. I think the DCX462 would be even better in this box,</li> </ul><p>…… anyway back to the 464 horn.</p><p></p><p>The solutions I keep coming back to is a slot or horn loaded / reflex double 15” MTM design. This would be a reasonable size and weight and would be easy to make. You could make it a trap design so it would truck pack by stacking one forward one backwards.</p><p></p><p>The other solution is just designing a separate low mid bin, more or less a kick bin that's usable to about 500Hz and stack the horn on top – you could make it as one box if you wanted.</p><p></p><p>This is what I get with the double 15" MTM design idea - its at the program rating of the drivers and the light grey is the PM90 - The box should be ABOUT 1150 high, 600 wide, 700 deep and trapezoidal in shape, no fancy curves and relatively simple to construct. You should be able to cross it at 80Hz. With full power without Xmax issues from 100Hz.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Peter Morris, post: 214532, member: 652"] Helge, I agree with you about the EAW QX5 and have often thought the same. I also understand your point about a quick ground stack PA; hence my reference to the Renkus Heinz ST range in post 36. The other one is Tannoy’s VQ 60 / 100 which uses a BMS 4594 (I think) [URL]https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/27192424/vq-100-tannoy[/URL] The problem with a ground stack solution is getting the horn up high enough. This is more important than the advantages of a MTM design in most situations. In this case you will be able to operate the horn from about 450Hz up and most of the spectrum where you need a flat phase point source behaviour will be easily achieved, coming from a single horn, so having a separate LF/MF enclosure will be fine. To me owning a PA company, boxes need to meet a rider spec, and where they don’t need to meet a rider spec they have to fill a need. This is what I have – [LIST] [*]Small show – double 10” with HF950 / 4594He + a single or double 18” [*]Medium show – PM90/60 with double 21” or double 14” with 464 + double 21” [*]Large Shows – Adamson S10 or Danley J7 (modified 3 way) with S119 subs. The J7’s also serve as delay speaker [*]What I call a “Throw and go PA” - double 15” (reflex) + BMS 4592 on a EV HP940. This can be stacked directly on a double 18” or 21” sub for FOH or side fill (with or without a sub) or used as a nice drum fill. I think the DCX462 would be even better in this box, [/LIST] …… anyway back to the 464 horn. The solutions I keep coming back to is a slot or horn loaded / reflex double 15” MTM design. This would be a reasonable size and weight and would be easy to make. You could make it a trap design so it would truck pack by stacking one forward one backwards. The other solution is just designing a separate low mid bin, more or less a kick bin that's usable to about 500Hz and stack the horn on top – you could make it as one box if you wanted. This is what I get with the double 15" MTM design idea - its at the program rating of the drivers and the light grey is the PM90 - The box should be ABOUT 1150 high, 600 wide, 700 deep and trapezoidal in shape, no fancy curves and relatively simple to construct. You should be able to cross it at 80Hz. With full power without Xmax issues from 100Hz. [/QUOTE]
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