Bad show, bad building, bad pa, bad ears?

So I attended a 3 group Canadian country show last night (Doc Walker, Emmerson Drive, Aaron Prichett) in a year old college theatre, brand new multi-million facility. I had high expectations becuase I have tech friends who have taken job positions in there, and I know the sound company that installed the rig - they are the biggest in town. The gear list was 4 x meyer JM1-P per side (looks like a 12" UP, or CQ in-fill box hanging below that), 3 x HP700 flown dead centre (cardioid middle cabinet) 4-5 Meyer MJF-212A on deck and a pair digico SD-9's. This show should have been a no brainer, walk in the park awesome sounding event.... it was not. The walkin music sounded like an am radio, no surprise here I do the same thing to let the band have a better perceived impact. First act was a an opener for the opener (2 guys on acoustics, 3 songs)... Right away the "lead acoustic player" had a thump on his acoustic. Okay don't panic, the sound guy is just going to roll up the high pass...... nope, so that was annoying. Second song the lead mic squeels out of no-where, singer didn't request any changes, he didn't even take it off the stand - wtf... how loud is that vocal onstage?

Anyway, they peel them off and put a 4 piece opener on ( lead, bass, drums, singer). It sounded like an AM radio, or the standard DJ smile curve was on the PA. I'm thinking okay maybe it's opener "hold back the pa" syndrome. I do a shoulder check to see the face of the sound guy to see if it changes for one of the headliners.... he's checking out the chicks on the upper balcony, not concerned about the crap thats pouring out of the pa... wow....

So the first of the dual headliner groups comes on, it's the same sound guy, but the sound has cleaned up marginally but not stellar by any means. I attribute this more to the talent of the band than anything that was done on the tech side. BTW would it be a standard practise to run an installed pa in a room, and do a frequency sweep in the room to see if there are any building harmonics issues (rattling). There was a bass gtr / keys note at the end of the song that sent the duct work, or something in the ceiling CRAZY... to the point where my wife noticed it (that's bad folks).

Anyways, back to the tale... other dual headliner band comes on -different sound guy, lead singer is ripping through the pa with very sharp notes - something I'm sure that could have been easily tamed on the digico. Still no back-up vocals, and melody instruments were burried (guitar,fiddle,keys).
The night was basically a sizzle and boomfest, so if this is the definition of the meyer rig, I'll keep my 730's thanks.
Photos below, the lighting rig is 12 auras, and 12 mac 700's.
 

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Re: Bad show, bad building, bad pa, bad ears?

With everything you described about the "mixing" of the performers, why would you suggest the Meyer stuff was a problem?


Because I heard music playback, 4 different acts, and 2 sound guys... you would think that there would have been an oppertunity for someone to get it right...

BTW - Looking at the photo, can anyone see what the 4th outside JM1-p is pointed at except the fricken wall ?
 
Re: Bad show, bad building, bad pa, bad ears?

We've done Doc Walker in a similar room with our SRX rig, sounded good to my ears. Bad night perhaps?


I know, I've provided for Doc Walker on more than one occasion, and it was awesome so I thought I was going to get blown away, between the gear that was in there, a known excellent band and a theatre setting... Like Mike says - I guess the monkey was having an off night...
I just thought it was strange that EVERYTHING sounded bad - which leads me to the pa, or the deployment of said pa.
 
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If you've worked/provided with Doc before, you know the guys (except Dave) like the wedges around the range of loud to STUPID LOUD.

It's been a few years since working with Emerson, but they are (were) all on ears, and Aaron was a mix of both last time, but nothing too taxing.

Could be the venue, could be the long and cold overnights (this was the Hit List tour right?) in the middle of a long run ....... could be zyx ........

Ian still PM/FOH? Solid mix and great guy (I run into him at airports and festival stages a little too frequently), who was mixing Aaron?

BRad
 
Re: Bad show, bad building, bad pa, bad ears?

Could be the venue, could be the long and cold overnights (this was the Hit List tour right?) in the middle of a long run ....... could be zyx ........
Ian still PM/FOH? Solid mix and great guy (I run into him at airports and festival stages a little too frequently), who was mixing Aaron?

Didn't catch the names, the acoustic opener, Aaron and doc were all mixed by an older guy, dark hair, glasses, beard not thick, trimmed. Emerson's was a younger, tallish but thick guy. I suspect they were having room issues, but also the mix didn't seem right. I was off center and maybe it sounded different at the mix position, but vocals were low, backup vox even lower. Everything was off, very strange.
 
Re: Bad show, bad building, bad pa, bad ears?

It's always disapointing when you pay good money to hear a national act and the sound is bad.I have heard that on many occassions.We all know there are bad sounding rooms and maybe that was the case. But I have heard different acts in the same venue and the comparison was like night and day. And then there are a few sound guys at the national level that are not up to the task.But I have also heard a few shows that were almost perfect. The Eagles,Toby Keith,Billy Idol,Blake Sheldon were among the best.While not a national act, the Beatles Tribute "Rain" ( with our own forum member Andy Broughton at FOH ) was in that category. Other good shows were Big and Rich/Gretchen Wilson, and Brooks and Dunn.
 
Re: Bad show, bad building, bad pa, bad ears?

It sounded like an AM radio, or the standard DJ smile curve was on the PA.

AM radio would be the opposite of the DJ smile EQ no? (all mids, no highs or lows)

Sorry the audio sucked. Always a bummer when when expectations are high, even more so than when you know a venue is audio/acoustically challenged.
 
Re: Bad show, bad building, bad pa, bad ears?

Right away the "lead acoustic player" had a thump on his acoustic. Okay don't panic, the sound guy is just going to roll up the high pass...... nope, so that was annoying.

I've been running into musicians who seem to like that effect. It may go against my better judgement, but the customer is always right. :roll:

GTD