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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Arnott" data-source="post: 82171" data-attributes="member: 304"><p>Re: Batteries May Become Obsolete</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree with the first part, but I'm sure we will disagree on how to get to the true cost. </p><p></p><p>As to "Another form of privatizing gains, and socializing losses."</p><p>This is an easy one. We have a history of doing this with our natural resources. </p><p>Take three examples. Copper mines in Butte Montana, Vermiculite in Libby Montana, and Uranium in Moab Utah. </p><p>Right now we (you, me, and everyone else who pays taxes in USA) are spending billions of dollars to clean these up. There are traceable amounts of toxic chemicals that go down the Colorado River, to California, and end up in our food supply. Slowly poisoning ourselves. How do we put a price tag on that? We don't. A relatively small number of people have left all those towns with billions of dollars in their pockets, and left you and me to clean up the mess. This is what I consider, privatizing the gains, and socializing the losses. </p><p></p><p>And, it is going on again, right now with fracking. I know, I know. You read an article in the WSJ that says it is perfectly safe. Thats fucking bullshit. I have seen first hand what it is doing to our lands, what it is doing to our people. And anybody has to have their head in the sand to not see what it is doing to our air and water. Yes, CNG burns relatively clean. But the rest of the process stinks. If we had to pay for all the medical bills, land reclamation, water clean up, a better process to not pollute the air, (end around the regulations that every other energy source has to follow, Happy Birthday Halliburton, thank you very much Dick Cheney), all of those things up front, then we would think harder about how much energy we would be using. When we had that big spike in gas prices the last year of W's term, there was a noticeable change in driving habits around here. So, change can happen, if the right incentive is there. </p><p></p><p>But no, we want to use more, and pay less. Until the bill comes due, and we all have to clean it up, with our tax money. The point is, if we pay for it up front, then we make hard choices, there is less windfall profits to leave town with, and we have more sustainability. Our system now is like a coke hound. Got to have the fix tonight. But when we wake up the next morning hung over, suddenly it was not worth it, and we won't pay our bill until a bully comes to the door with a bat. Short sighted suicide.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jack Arnott, post: 82171, member: 304"] Re: Batteries May Become Obsolete I agree with the first part, but I'm sure we will disagree on how to get to the true cost. As to "Another form of privatizing gains, and socializing losses." This is an easy one. We have a history of doing this with our natural resources. Take three examples. Copper mines in Butte Montana, Vermiculite in Libby Montana, and Uranium in Moab Utah. Right now we (you, me, and everyone else who pays taxes in USA) are spending billions of dollars to clean these up. There are traceable amounts of toxic chemicals that go down the Colorado River, to California, and end up in our food supply. Slowly poisoning ourselves. How do we put a price tag on that? We don't. A relatively small number of people have left all those towns with billions of dollars in their pockets, and left you and me to clean up the mess. This is what I consider, privatizing the gains, and socializing the losses. And, it is going on again, right now with fracking. I know, I know. You read an article in the WSJ that says it is perfectly safe. Thats fucking bullshit. I have seen first hand what it is doing to our lands, what it is doing to our people. And anybody has to have their head in the sand to not see what it is doing to our air and water. Yes, CNG burns relatively clean. But the rest of the process stinks. If we had to pay for all the medical bills, land reclamation, water clean up, a better process to not pollute the air, (end around the regulations that every other energy source has to follow, Happy Birthday Halliburton, thank you very much Dick Cheney), all of those things up front, then we would think harder about how much energy we would be using. When we had that big spike in gas prices the last year of W's term, there was a noticeable change in driving habits around here. So, change can happen, if the right incentive is there. But no, we want to use more, and pay less. Until the bill comes due, and we all have to clean it up, with our tax money. The point is, if we pay for it up front, then we make hard choices, there is less windfall profits to leave town with, and we have more sustainability. Our system now is like a coke hound. Got to have the fix tonight. But when we wake up the next morning hung over, suddenly it was not worth it, and we won't pay our bill until a bully comes to the door with a bat. Short sighted suicide. [/QUOTE]
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