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<blockquote data-quote="Brian jojade" data-source="post: 101138" data-attributes="member: 211"><p>Re: Behringer iNUKE NU6000 amplifier</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's the funny part of publicly traded companies. They can lose money for a LONG time and still manage to stick around. It's like magic.</p><p></p><p>When smaller companies get bought out by larger corporations, a couple of things happen. First of all, they become more corporate, and often lose the personal touch that got them there. No longer is it that one guy that happened to be really good at designing a product. An actual R&D team is available, which often results in better designs, although if corporate decision making gets involved, some design choices don't end up matching real world needs.</p><p></p><p>The other thing that tends to happen with larger companies is they look for ways to decrease manufacturing costs. With their larger resources available, versus smaller companies, they often can do this with little change to the design and reliability to a product. Unfortunately, sometimes the accountants look more at cost savings than the result of their actions. Acceptable levels of reliability and quality are set, which may be less than what the product originally had. While it may look and act the same, it could be different. I had a couple experiences of extremes with this. When Mackie decided to move production to China of the SRM 450, the China versions of the speakers were totally different than the Italy versions. Still had the same rated specs, but by moving production, they ended up with crap products. JBL moved production of their SRX line of speakers from the US to Mexico, and the difference in construction, performance and reliability has not been noticeable. My guess is that JBL moved to Mexico to save on labor costs, but didn't make any changes to the manufacturing process or specs in the move. The Mackie move went to China for cheaper labor, and at the same time, they allowed component substitution for even lower production costs. The result was a huge backfire for them. Doesn't mean that China can't create amazing products. It means that if you don't specify correctly, they will do what they can to meet your specs at the lowest absolute cost. The outcome may not be what you're expecting if you're not careful.</p><p></p><p>Behringer has been buying up smaller sound companies, similar to how LOUD and Harmon have bought up names to expand their portfolio. Arguably you can say that Behrigner's purchases have helped dramatically improve their offerings over the last few years. The Behringer name is still associated with their entry level products, and pricing of the products matches that. They are in a high volume, low margin business. That keeps costs for end users down, but also means less money is set aside for support per unit sold. This is an acceptable trade-off for most that are buying in that price range.</p><p></p><p>As far as ratings go, power ratings for amplifiers of today versus years ago are vastly different. It used to be that the power rating on an amp is what it could deliver all day and all night long. Pretty easy to compare amps that way. But then someone realized that due to the dynamic nature of music, amps weren't utilizing their capabilities. A smaller power supply could be installed, and the amp could still deliver the rated power for the short durations that music needed the peak power for. This resulted in much cheaper designs without changing the real world performance for most users. Now, the difficulty comes in comparing different amps and designs. Instead of how an amp runs 24X7, you now have to figure out what it can do with the type of music you're feeding it. An amp that needs to reproduce very dynamic music will have peaks that are relatively short. If the power supply is designed for that, it can work just fine, but then you try to use it for a dub step show, and you'll find that the poor thing just can't keep up. Unfortunately, there isn't usually a standardized spec that will tell you this listed on any spec sheets. But there's a reason that some amps cost $400, and some cost $3000, even though on paper they look like darned near the same thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brian jojade, post: 101138, member: 211"] Re: Behringer iNUKE NU6000 amplifier That's the funny part of publicly traded companies. They can lose money for a LONG time and still manage to stick around. It's like magic. When smaller companies get bought out by larger corporations, a couple of things happen. First of all, they become more corporate, and often lose the personal touch that got them there. No longer is it that one guy that happened to be really good at designing a product. An actual R&D team is available, which often results in better designs, although if corporate decision making gets involved, some design choices don't end up matching real world needs. The other thing that tends to happen with larger companies is they look for ways to decrease manufacturing costs. With their larger resources available, versus smaller companies, they often can do this with little change to the design and reliability to a product. Unfortunately, sometimes the accountants look more at cost savings than the result of their actions. Acceptable levels of reliability and quality are set, which may be less than what the product originally had. While it may look and act the same, it could be different. I had a couple experiences of extremes with this. When Mackie decided to move production to China of the SRM 450, the China versions of the speakers were totally different than the Italy versions. Still had the same rated specs, but by moving production, they ended up with crap products. JBL moved production of their SRX line of speakers from the US to Mexico, and the difference in construction, performance and reliability has not been noticeable. My guess is that JBL moved to Mexico to save on labor costs, but didn't make any changes to the manufacturing process or specs in the move. The Mackie move went to China for cheaper labor, and at the same time, they allowed component substitution for even lower production costs. The result was a huge backfire for them. Doesn't mean that China can't create amazing products. It means that if you don't specify correctly, they will do what they can to meet your specs at the lowest absolute cost. The outcome may not be what you're expecting if you're not careful. Behringer has been buying up smaller sound companies, similar to how LOUD and Harmon have bought up names to expand their portfolio. Arguably you can say that Behrigner's purchases have helped dramatically improve their offerings over the last few years. The Behringer name is still associated with their entry level products, and pricing of the products matches that. They are in a high volume, low margin business. That keeps costs for end users down, but also means less money is set aside for support per unit sold. This is an acceptable trade-off for most that are buying in that price range. As far as ratings go, power ratings for amplifiers of today versus years ago are vastly different. It used to be that the power rating on an amp is what it could deliver all day and all night long. Pretty easy to compare amps that way. But then someone realized that due to the dynamic nature of music, amps weren't utilizing their capabilities. A smaller power supply could be installed, and the amp could still deliver the rated power for the short durations that music needed the peak power for. This resulted in much cheaper designs without changing the real world performance for most users. Now, the difficulty comes in comparing different amps and designs. Instead of how an amp runs 24X7, you now have to figure out what it can do with the type of music you're feeding it. An amp that needs to reproduce very dynamic music will have peaks that are relatively short. If the power supply is designed for that, it can work just fine, but then you try to use it for a dub step show, and you'll find that the poor thing just can't keep up. Unfortunately, there isn't usually a standardized spec that will tell you this listed on any spec sheets. But there's a reason that some amps cost $400, and some cost $3000, even though on paper they look like darned near the same thing. [/QUOTE]
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