Hi guys! I'm trying to create a separate mix on my Behringer X32 using the Matrices. What I end up doing, is I route all my desired channels into post-fader buses, and all my effects (like reverb) also to post-fader buses. I can easily route the individual music and vox buses to the matrices without a problem. The tough stuff begins when I try routing my effects bus to the matrix. My understanding of Matrices is that they have the potential to function like the Main Bus. My Main Bus responds perfectly when routing the effects buses to it. However, when I route the effects bus to the Matrices, all I hear is the "dry" of whatever is being sent into the effects bus. So for example, if I send a vocal channel to the effects bus, typically you'd expect to hear the dry from the vocal channel, and the wet (effected) from the effects bus. When I route the effect bus to the Matrix, it's as if all capability of effects is lost. If I pick up the effects bus send to the matrix, the dry only gets louder, and it turns out that I have a duplicate of my original dry vox channel. What can I do to successfully send an effects bus to the matrix, so it would operate exactly as on the Main Bus?
Behringer X32 Matrix Duplicate Mix Question
- Thread starter Dima Gordeyev
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Re: Behringer X32 Matrix Duplicate Mix Question
Dima -
-If you want to send the MAIN LR mixes (containing the effects) to 2 Matrix, send them prefade from the Main Bus.
-If you want to send the FX RETURNS seperately to a Matrix, you must first send them to a mixbus (or 2) and send that to the Matrix. You cannot send the FX returns directly to a Matrix.
Cheers,
-Tim T
Dima -
-If you want to send the MAIN LR mixes (containing the effects) to 2 Matrix, send them prefade from the Main Bus.
-If you want to send the FX RETURNS seperately to a Matrix, you must first send them to a mixbus (or 2) and send that to the Matrix. You cannot send the FX returns directly to a Matrix.
Cheers,
-Tim T
Re: Behringer X32 Matrix Duplicate Mix Question
Thanks Tim!
I'm still slightly confused as to whether or not that answers the question. Let me explain with a picture.
The blue circle shows that the effects returns can ONLY be routed to mixbuses 1-16 (apart from the inserts and Main bus). So either way my only option is to route them to a mixbus, which I do, and that usually ends up being mixbuses 13 and up, which are shown in yellow. However, routing said mixbuses to the Matrix does not actually route the effect return, instead, it seems as if it routes the effect send, because I only hear the dry, and not the wet.
Thanks Tim!
I'm still slightly confused as to whether or not that answers the question. Let me explain with a picture.
The blue circle shows that the effects returns can ONLY be routed to mixbuses 1-16 (apart from the inserts and Main bus). So either way my only option is to route them to a mixbus, which I do, and that usually ends up being mixbuses 13 and up, which are shown in yellow. However, routing said mixbuses to the Matrix does not actually route the effect return, instead, it seems as if it routes the effect send, because I only hear the dry, and not the wet.
Re: Behringer X32 Matrix Duplicate Mix Question
Dima -
When using bus 1-16 for fx, the fx RETURNS can only be sent to another bus, or the mains. The tap point from the bus to the matrix is before the effect itself, hence the dry signal. You can INSERT (top choice in the drop-down) the effect into the bus involved, then the matrix will include that effect.
As said above, you can also send the return to another unused bus, say #9, and send that bus to a matrix. ie., channel to bus 13, the return for that effect to bus 9, bus 9 to matrix.
The confusion to me is that the FX drop-down makes the routing look like an insert, when it is a send from the bus to the effect, which then goes to the returns.
Hope this helps...
-Tim T
Dima -
When using bus 1-16 for fx, the fx RETURNS can only be sent to another bus, or the mains. The tap point from the bus to the matrix is before the effect itself, hence the dry signal. You can INSERT (top choice in the drop-down) the effect into the bus involved, then the matrix will include that effect.
As said above, you can also send the return to another unused bus, say #9, and send that bus to a matrix. ie., channel to bus 13, the return for that effect to bus 9, bus 9 to matrix.
The confusion to me is that the FX drop-down makes the routing look like an insert, when it is a send from the bus to the effect, which then goes to the returns.
Hope this helps...
-Tim T
Re: Behringer X32 Matrix Duplicate Mix Question
Hello Dima-
Tim Trace's advice is good, but I have a couple of additional thoughts.
You need to route the effects RETURNS to the Matrix. With the X32 the only things that can feed a Matrix are Bus Outputs and L/M/R. This means you will need to do one of 2 things: assign the FX outputs to L/R (which is the default), or assign the FX outputs to a Mix Bus (say, Mix 12 for our example).
First, if you do not want your FX returned to L/R you will need to go the the home page for each effect and de-select the L/R routing and then using the Sends tab, send the FX return to Bus 12. On the Bus 12 home page, select the Sends tab and send the Bus output to which ever Matrix(s) you desire. The Bus 12 master becomes your effects RETURN master. Buses 13-16 remain as your SEND masters.
By routing your Mix Bus 13-16 to the Matrix, you ARE routing your dry signals, not the effects returns.
Hello Dima-
Tim Trace's advice is good, but I have a couple of additional thoughts.
You need to route the effects RETURNS to the Matrix. With the X32 the only things that can feed a Matrix are Bus Outputs and L/M/R. This means you will need to do one of 2 things: assign the FX outputs to L/R (which is the default), or assign the FX outputs to a Mix Bus (say, Mix 12 for our example).
First, if you do not want your FX returned to L/R you will need to go the the home page for each effect and de-select the L/R routing and then using the Sends tab, send the FX return to Bus 12. On the Bus 12 home page, select the Sends tab and send the Bus output to which ever Matrix(s) you desire. The Bus 12 master becomes your effects RETURN master. Buses 13-16 remain as your SEND masters.
By routing your Mix Bus 13-16 to the Matrix, you ARE routing your dry signals, not the effects returns.
Re: Behringer X32 Matrix Duplicate Mix Question
No the blue circles indicate the mixbus with the dry signal you feed your effects with, your effect returns (Effect outputs) are routed to the effect inputs on the console OR you can select a effect return to be a input on whatever other normal input channel. The suggestion to use a extra mixbus to feed all your effects and rout that to the matrix is an option. However I don't get the point the way you want to use your matrixxes. Is it because you have no other use for them?...
No the blue circles indicate the mixbus with the dry signal you feed your effects with, your effect returns (Effect outputs) are routed to the effect inputs on the console OR you can select a effect return to be a input on whatever other normal input channel. The suggestion to use a extra mixbus to feed all your effects and rout that to the matrix is an option. However I don't get the point the way you want to use your matrixxes. Is it because you have no other use for them?...
Re: Behringer X32 Matrix Duplicate Mix Question
Thanks everyone! Thank you Tim T and Tim M, I think I now know what to do. Antoon, I realized that the blue circle shows the Effects Send Bus. On the Behringer X32, the Effects Return is routed to 6 Return channels on the 3rd page of the channels. What I'll do is I'll route the needed FX Return Channels to a Mixbus, which I will then route to the Matrices. I haven't tried it yet, as the mixer is in the studio, so I've only tried the concept in X32 Live, but I'll try it soon. I don't understand your question, Antoon. I'm using the Matrices primarily to make a different mix for a different output, specifically my monitors. I need them to have effects, and as far as I know, using a Matrix is the way to go in this situation. But I'm still learning, so if you know a better way, I'm all ears! Thanks guys!
Thanks everyone! Thank you Tim T and Tim M, I think I now know what to do. Antoon, I realized that the blue circle shows the Effects Send Bus. On the Behringer X32, the Effects Return is routed to 6 Return channels on the 3rd page of the channels. What I'll do is I'll route the needed FX Return Channels to a Mixbus, which I will then route to the Matrices. I haven't tried it yet, as the mixer is in the studio, so I've only tried the concept in X32 Live, but I'll try it soon. I don't understand your question, Antoon. I'm using the Matrices primarily to make a different mix for a different output, specifically my monitors. I need them to have effects, and as far as I know, using a Matrix is the way to go in this situation. But I'm still learning, so if you know a better way, I'm all ears! Thanks guys!