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<blockquote data-quote="Tim Duffin" data-source="post: 64000" data-attributes="member: 400">Re: Carvin Line Array In StockI should run and hide when I hear your exclamations of &quot;THE CHINESE ONES ARE BETTER!!&quot;.&nbsp; But alas, you might like to know that Crown&#039;s chinese made amplifiers are made in china for one reason:&nbsp; So that the manufacturer does not have to pay for the handling of toxic waste, they can simply dump it out the back door.&nbsp; That is the reason why it is &quot;cheaper in china&quot;. now, the second part of the story, which I believe YOU do not know is that ALL of the manufacturing machines used to make those amps were made in the US (with a small percentage manufactured in Japan)&nbsp; This is because there are no chinese equivalents for Spin, Etch and clean fab machines.&nbsp; They all come from the US because the Chinese companies themselves wouldn&#039;t dare trust a chinese copy of a 26um etch or spin machine-- they want the real thing from the US so that their manufacturing can be guaranteed.&nbsp; So when I say something like &quot;there are no chinese companies capable of manufacturing any precision equipment of any kind&quot;, I mean it.&nbsp; Not because I feel like it should be that way, but because the companies who make these machines in the bay area are my clients and I have actually seen them with my own eyes.&nbsp; I have even been present during a congratulations speech from a chinese electronics manufacturing company (a big one) where the US engineers were praised for their development of a new type of measurement metric which increased yields by 15%.&nbsp; As you no doubt are aware, audio products are very low tech and crudely manufactured, even today.&nbsp; The use of through hole technology and wave soldering is not exactly a &quot;high tech&quot; industry.&nbsp; So, the argument that a company makes amplifiers in china says nothing about precision equipment.&nbsp; I made an amp in my garage using a protoboard and a soldering iron- there&#039;s nothing to it.&nbsp; Manufacturing a sub micrometer servo in an artificial heart or an automotive SRS system--that might take a little more skill than your average employee working for 1000 dollars a year with a 6th grade education.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tim Duffin, post: 64000, member: 400"] Re: Carvin Line Array In Stock I should run and hide when I hear your exclamations of "THE CHINESE ONES ARE BETTER!!". But alas, you might like to know that Crown's chinese made amplifiers are made in china for one reason: So that the manufacturer does not have to pay for the handling of toxic waste, they can simply dump it out the back door. That is the reason why it is "cheaper in china". now, the second part of the story, which I believe YOU do not know is that ALL of the manufacturing machines used to make those amps were made in the US (with a small percentage manufactured in Japan) This is because there are no chinese equivalents for Spin, Etch and clean fab machines. They all come from the US because the Chinese companies themselves wouldn't dare trust a chinese copy of a 26um etch or spin machine-- they want the real thing from the US so that their manufacturing can be guaranteed. So when I say something like "there are no chinese companies capable of manufacturing any precision equipment of any kind", I mean it. Not because I [I]feel like it should be that way[/I], but because the companies who make these machines in the bay area are my clients and I have actually seen them with my own eyes. I have even been present during a congratulations speech from a chinese electronics manufacturing company (a big one) where the US engineers were praised for their development of a new type of measurement metric which increased yields by 15%. As you no doubt are aware, audio products are very low tech and crudely manufactured, even today. The use of through hole technology and wave soldering is not exactly a "high tech" industry. So, the argument that a company makes amplifiers in china says nothing about precision equipment. I made an amp in my garage using a protoboard and a soldering iron- there's nothing to it. Manufacturing a sub micrometer servo in an artificial heart or an automotive SRS system--that might take a little more skill than your average employee working for 1000 dollars a year with a 6th grade education. [/QUOTE]

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