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<blockquote data-quote="John Neil" data-source="post: 41666" data-attributes="member: 422">Re: Crossover vs EQ: Help me understand.Bennett, not seeing the video.All house zones are derived from L/R and I intend to route front fills through processing...soon.&nbsp; BEs that usually play larger venues usually look at me like &quot;why would I want to mix those independently&quot; to which I reply &quot;unity on channel sends is a pretty good start for vocals&quot; or &quot;I&#039;ll just route L/R to that matrix for you and you&#039;ll be set.&quot;&nbsp; Nine times of ten it seems better to derive from L/R, so we&#039;ll see how often I revert back to front fills via aux once I default the other way.Steve Bush from Meyer made a pretty similar remark regarding art vs. science in his optimization seminar.Jason, the room expresses some pretty nasty out of band issues on the subs based on the cinderblock wall behind them.&nbsp; Those are addressed in the DSP via crossover choice and EQ, and then timing adjusted accordingly.&nbsp; Previous to addressing those I saw plenty of nights where a BE would listen to Hey Nineteen through the subs (haystacked by 12 db nonetheless, but that&#039;s another thread) and want to steepen things up.&nbsp; P.P.S.&nbsp; Aside from measuring only one point the BE achieved an accurate measurement and used it to EQ the mains to his liking while playing a very bad mp3 conversion of Death Cab as source material...at a volume very similar to his show levels.&nbsp; I took issue that he had the opportunity to account for his &quot;death by&quot; maneuver but never looked at a phase trace to approach the subject.&nbsp; Further, he never measured or listened to the system before making the death by move.&nbsp; I don&#039;t turn a knob unless it&#039;s a perceived positive result to do so.&nbsp; Somewhere along the line a significant population of BE types learned that using EQ as crossover serves to make their end product better.&nbsp; Right, wrong, or doesn&#039;t really matter, that&#039;s the mindset I seek to understand.P.P.P.S.&nbsp; In the end I would forget about the whole deal if they would use Mark Knopfler to tune the rig.P.P.P.P.S.&nbsp; I still got the guy a drink during sound check.&nbsp; That&#039;s my job, right?P.P.P.P.P.S.&nbsp; At the end of the day, bar sales far outweigh crossover integrity.&nbsp; I get that, but it doesn&#039;t make it right.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="John Neil, post: 41666, member: 422"] Re: Crossover vs EQ: Help me understand. Bennett, not seeing the video. All house zones are derived from L/R and I intend to route front fills through processing...soon. BEs that usually play larger venues usually look at me like "why would I want to mix those independently" to which I reply "unity on channel sends is a pretty good start for vocals" or "I'll just route L/R to that matrix for you and you'll be set." Nine times of ten it seems better to derive from L/R, so we'll see how often I revert back to front fills via aux once I default the other way. Steve Bush from Meyer made a pretty similar remark regarding art vs. science in his optimization seminar. Jason, the room expresses some pretty nasty out of band issues on the subs based on the cinderblock wall behind them. Those are addressed in the DSP via crossover choice and EQ, and then timing adjusted accordingly. Previous to addressing those I saw plenty of nights where a BE would listen to Hey Nineteen through the subs (haystacked by 12 db nonetheless, but that's another thread) and want to steepen things up. P.P.S. Aside from measuring only one point the BE achieved an accurate measurement and used it to EQ the mains to his liking while playing a very bad mp3 conversion of Death Cab as source material...at a volume very similar to his show levels. I took issue that he had the opportunity to account for his "death by" maneuver but never looked at a phase trace to approach the subject. Further, he never measured or listened to the system before making the death by move. I don't turn a knob unless it's a perceived positive result to do so. Somewhere along the line a significant population of BE types learned that using EQ as crossover serves to make their end product better. Right, wrong, or doesn't really matter, that's the mindset I seek to understand. P.P.P.S. In the end I would forget about the whole deal if they would use Mark Knopfler to tune the rig. P.P.P.P.S. I still got the guy a drink during sound check. That's my job, right? P.P.P.P.P.S. At the end of the day, bar sales far outweigh crossover integrity. I get that, but it doesn't make it right. [/QUOTE]

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