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<blockquote data-quote="John Roberts" data-source="post: 58180" data-attributes="member: 126">Re: MythbustingWe can agree on thatThat didn&#039;t last long... I&#039;d be more inclined to blame or credit the design engineers, process engineers, and the like. The people working on line have minimal discretion over how they execute their particular task.. oh dear... they&#039;ve done well for such a poorly educated people. I&#039;ve met several with more schooling than me, but I was not much of a student. Safe to say that about western factories too.I don&#039;t know about their nutrition, but a common issue with all factory workers everywhere is that they rarely have a good sense of product in context of end markets. One problem I had with workers in a US factory is getting them to understand things like the difference in cosmetic standards for a $10k recording studio product that would often be the central piece in a room, and $99 fixed install product destined to be hidden in a closet... They just thought I was messing with them when my cosmetic &quot;quality&quot; standards would seem to flip-flop wildly between products, sometimes built on production lines right next to each other..&nbsp; 质量民主蠢驴====In fact I have read reports of near slave labor in one regional fired brick factory, where retarded people were coerced to do the grueling work for for free or just room and board, but the case I heard about was stopped and the factory owner and some local government official was jailed (or worse). China has a long way to go, to catch up to west&#039;s standard of living and wage rates... but any crap products coming from there IMO are due to poor design, poor process or poor materials management. The Chinese workers are not inherently better or worse than western workers, while they don&#039;t seem whine as much about the good old days. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" />JR</blockquote>

[QUOTE="John Roberts, post: 58180, member: 126"] Re: Mythbusting We can agree on that That didn't last long... I'd be more inclined to blame or credit the design engineers, process engineers, and the like. The people working on line have minimal discretion over how they execute their particular task.. oh dear... they've done well for such a poorly educated people. I've met several with more schooling than me, but I was not much of a student. Safe to say that about western factories too. I don't know about their nutrition, but a common issue with all factory workers everywhere is that they rarely have a good sense of product in context of end markets. One problem I had with workers in a US factory is getting them to understand things like the difference in cosmetic standards for a $10k recording studio product that would often be the central piece in a room, and $99 fixed install product destined to be hidden in a closet... They just thought I was messing with them when my cosmetic "quality" standards would seem to flip-flop wildly between products, sometimes built on production lines right next to each other.. 质量民主蠢驴 ==== In fact I have read reports of near slave labor in one regional fired brick factory, where retarded people were coerced to do the grueling work for for free or just room and board, but the case I heard about was stopped and the factory owner and some local government official was jailed (or worse). China has a long way to go, to catch up to west's standard of living and wage rates... but any crap products coming from there IMO are due to poor design, poor process or poor materials management. The Chinese workers are not inherently better or worse than western workers, while they don't seem whine as much about the good old days. :-) JR [/QUOTE]

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