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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Arnott" data-source="post: 88394" data-attributes="member: 304">Re: Getting my employer to take me seriously...1) Family business&#039; can be weird places.2) Not necessarily the case here, but bar owners are known for being compulsive, and narcissistic. 3) This seems misogynistic to me. 4) If someone said this to me, my first thought would be, &quot;would you like me to just cash my check in the bar and spend all my money here?&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; I can be quite good at biting my tongue, but sometimes think I must have too much money to even think these things. When John says, &quot;create more value for them&quot;, I take away that you should be doing a wonderful job, and creating an atmosphere where people want to hang out and have a good time. Some of this might be how you interact with the bands. (Some might be how you dress.) If you are jaded like me, and the band is going to sound like the band is going to sound, then I might not be the best person for the job. But if its young idealistic me, and I take the time to try and get them to understand stage volume, and dynamics, and presentation. Or by being optimistic and upbeat, and creating a fun place to play, even if you are the only person in the room. This translates to the band having fun, and when someone comes in, picking up on that and staying. (OK, I am not totally jaded. I do have these conversations all the time, but I certainly pick my spots , and have them with people I know are going to be more receptive to my input.)I do have musicians specifically tell me they are glad my company is doing the sound, because they always sell more product than if xyz is doing it. That is &quot;creating more value for them&quot;. If my employer thinks of me as having a lot of sycophant friends on facebook (my inner cynic also adds *female* in your case) who are willing to spend their cash at my place of work, I think they have unrealistic expectations.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jack Arnott, post: 88394, member: 304"] Re: Getting my employer to take me seriously... 1) Family business' can be weird places. 2) Not necessarily the case here, but bar owners are known for being compulsive, and narcissistic. 3) This seems misogynistic to me. 4) If someone said this to me, my first thought would be, "would you like me to just cash my check in the bar and spend all my money here?" I can be quite good at biting my tongue, but sometimes think I must have too much money to even think these things. When John says, "create more value for them", I take away that you should be doing a wonderful job, and creating an atmosphere where people want to hang out and have a good time. Some of this might be how you interact with the bands. (Some might be how you dress.) If you are jaded like me, and the band is going to sound like the band is going to sound, then I might not be the best person for the job. But if its young idealistic me, and I take the time to try and get them to understand stage volume, and dynamics, and presentation. Or by being optimistic and upbeat, and creating a fun place to play, even if you are the only person in the room. This translates to the band having fun, and when someone comes in, picking up on that and staying. (OK, I am not totally jaded. I do have these conversations all the time, but I certainly pick my spots , and have them with people I know are going to be more receptive to my input.) I do have musicians specifically tell me they are glad my company is doing the sound, because they always sell more product than if xyz is doing it. That is "creating more value for them". If my employer thinks of me as having a lot of sycophant friends on facebook (my inner cynic also adds *female* in your case) who are willing to spend their cash at my place of work, I think they have unrealistic expectations. [/QUOTE]

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