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<blockquote data-quote="Tim Duffin" data-source="post: 43206" data-attributes="member: 400">Re: Getting the gig. Where did it all start?I would ask that you replace the word &quot;troll&quot; with &quot;truth&quot; when addressing me.&nbsp; The truth is coming out.I don&#039;t believe you at all..&nbsp; NAME the companies who started with nothing at all and now tour with A list names.&nbsp; The claimed inventory value is irrelevant.&nbsp; Typically, when people claim that they started from &quot;nothing&quot; and built a huge empire, it is because they are concealing something that made their success happen and it is only a matter of time till the &#039;x&#039; factor that they were concealing is discovered.&nbsp; Addressing the point Tim McCullogh was making, &quot;price&quot; is not how the big boys eliminate competition.&nbsp; I have seen sound/lighting companies negotiate with unions/city personnel to overcharge for necessary components of a show when another company underbids and gets the gig.&nbsp; Have you ever seen a convention center charge 8,000 for a power distro because some cheap out of town company got the gig and took the commission away from the convention center?&nbsp; Or, have you seen the onsite AV company call the fire marshall to look at some of the electrical equipment owned by the visiting company because some of it (may or may not have been) marginal with the intention of forcing the visiting company to rent equipment from the onsite AV company at a ridiculous markup at the last minute to satisfy the fire marshall, thus wiping out the visiting companies profit?&nbsp; There are many types of games that can be played, not just price.For your information, I only do sound for my friends and only when they ask, so you could say that my system pretty much sits idle most of the year and I can afford to keep it like that.&nbsp; I have no aspirations to be on a &quot;tour&quot; of any type.&nbsp; Quite literally, I am too expensive for that crap.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tim Duffin, post: 43206, member: 400"] Re: Getting the gig. Where did it all start? I would ask that you replace the word "troll" with "truth" when addressing me. The [I]truth[/I] is coming out. I don't believe you at all.. NAME the companies who started with nothing at all and now tour with A list names. The claimed inventory value is irrelevant. Typically, when people claim that they started from "nothing" and built a huge empire, it is because they are concealing something that made their success happen and it is only a matter of time till the 'x' factor that they were concealing is discovered. Addressing the point Tim McCullogh was making, "price" is not how the big boys eliminate competition. I have seen sound/lighting companies negotiate with unions/city personnel to overcharge for necessary components of a show when another company underbids and gets the gig. Have you ever seen a convention center charge 8,000 for a power distro because some cheap out of town company got the gig and took the commission away from the convention center? Or, have you seen the onsite AV company call the fire marshall to look at some of the electrical equipment owned by the visiting company because some of it (may or may not have been) marginal with the intention of forcing the visiting company to rent equipment from the onsite AV company at a ridiculous markup at the last minute to satisfy the fire marshall, thus wiping out the visiting companies profit? There are many types of games that can be played, not just price. For your information, I only do sound for my friends and only when they ask, so you could say that my system pretty much sits idle most of the year and I can afford to keep it like that. I have no aspirations to be on a "tour" of any type. Quite literally, I am too expensive for that crap. [/QUOTE]

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