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<blockquote data-quote="Tim Duffin" data-source="post: 43379" data-attributes="member: 400">Re: Getting the gig. Where did it all start?I&#039;m just curious, but when you say &quot;where we are&quot; what do you mean?&nbsp; Where are you?&nbsp; Is being a rep for a manufacturer equivalent to being on tour with Madonna?&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The live sound industry is mostly just a playground for rich people who want to feel like their in the band/part of the band/connected to the band, etc.&nbsp; By the way, I read the bio for rat sound.&nbsp; It sounds like the &quot;x&quot; factor in that case was that they EXISTED AT ALL in the early 80&#039;s.&nbsp; Its easy to be successful at sound when you are literally the only tour sound company in the entire state at the time and you make your own stuff.&nbsp; This is exactly like what happened in the 50&#039;s when the american auto industry was on top, they were on top because the Americans bombed every other countries auto industry in ww2 and the U.S. had the only cars in the entire world...you think the auto industry might have been successful at that time?&nbsp; I bet there were lots of stories about how every single one of those companies started from a single nickel in a garage as well.&nbsp; So, now back to the sound business.&nbsp;&nbsp; We have what is referred to as a &quot;mature industry&quot; with high barriers to entry.&nbsp; When every single company mentioned (note how there are only about 5 total) started, they got their start because there wasn&#039;t anything else and they had a monopoly.&nbsp; Success is easy when you have a monopoly--or like I said, when you just happened to be born at the right time in history.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;That time has passed, if you want into the elite club of tour sound operators in this day and age, you gotta pay. period.&nbsp; I know that there are sound companies who are starving in the winter, I know because I have seen their bids during rough times-- $1000 for a 16 box JBL full line array with 10 monitor mixes, a pm-5d and 2 techs, yeah...seen that one.&nbsp; Or how about the AV companies renting out equipment for FREE with the hopes that they can maybe get some of the corporate shows in the future...seen that too, never works.&nbsp; The industry has shifted from a monopoly in the early years into what is now referred to as a monopsony,that is, everyone fights each other for the same job.&nbsp; sounds great, huh</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tim Duffin, post: 43379, member: 400"] Re: Getting the gig. Where did it all start? I'm just curious, but when you say "where we are" what do you mean? Where are you? Is being a rep for a manufacturer equivalent to being on tour with Madonna? The live sound industry is mostly just a playground for rich people who want to feel like their in the band/part of the band/connected to the band, etc. By the way, I read the bio for rat sound. It sounds like the "x" factor in that case was that they EXISTED AT ALL in the early 80's. Its easy to be successful at sound when you are literally the only tour sound company in the entire state at the time and you make your own stuff. This is exactly like what happened in the 50's when the american auto industry was on top, they were on top because the Americans bombed every other countries auto industry in ww2 and the U.S. had the only cars in the entire world...you think the auto industry might have been successful at that time? I bet there were lots of stories about how every single one of those companies started from a single nickel in a garage as well. So, now back to the sound business. We have what is referred to as a "mature industry" with high barriers to entry. When every single company mentioned (note how there are only about 5 total) started, they got their start because there wasn't anything else and they had a monopoly. Success is easy when you have a monopoly--or like I said, when you just happened to be born at the right time in history. That time has passed, if you want into the elite club of tour sound operators in this day and age, you gotta pay. period. I know that there are sound companies who are starving in the winter, I know because I have seen their bids during rough times-- $1000 for a 16 box JBL full line array with 10 monitor mixes, a pm-5d and 2 techs, yeah...seen that one. Or how about the AV companies renting out equipment for FREE with the hopes that they can maybe get some of the corporate shows in the future...seen that too, never works. The industry has shifted from a monopoly in the early years into what is now referred to as a [I]monopsony,[/I]that is, everyone fights each other for the same job. sounds great, huh [/QUOTE]

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