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<blockquote data-quote="John Roberts" data-source="post: 38928" data-attributes="member: 126"><p>Re: Gibson raided</p><p></p><p></p><p>I caught the tail end of Henry being interviewed on one of the Fox cable channels (Dobbs) while i was surfing by. Since I was following this story I stayed for their take on it and no surprise it was an all out attack on political motivations and regulatory over reach. In the immediately following segment the regular (fox) talking heads showed how uninformed they were about the case specifics. I still think the US government has better things to do with their time and our money, there seems to be more to this story than the simple explanations. </p><p></p><p>Tell that to the millions trying to emigrate here legally, following the rules. </p><p></p><p>You may be surprised to learn that I agree with you about the economic benefit of large scale immigration, as most of the mature developed western nations are aging and declining in making replacement babies, to fuel the growth we need to support deficit spending. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>BUT... and this is a very important but... It matters how we handle this. Those of us who are a little older and have been paying attention for that long recall that we fixed this once before, with a large scale amnesty and promise to manage/prevent future illegal immigration. As so often happens, congress passes laws, then drops the ball on funding the administration/execution of those laws (like our borders, etc). So the unintended consequence of the old amnesty was to telegraph to poor workers that it was worth the risk to, get here by illegal means and take their chances on eventual amnesty, or a slap on the wrist and free ride home, but this is not all upside for these guys since many are killed or taken advantage of by parasitic criminals working the border trafficking. </p><p></p><p>Nobody expects the millions of illegal aliens settled here to be sent back, but anybody who has studied the history of this, knows, if we do the same thing as we did the last time, we will get the same result... Thus the motivation to first secure the border and manage the systems internally for identifying and managing illegals already here, before discussing amnesty. </p><p></p><p>I won't argue the gross unfairness of allowing people who came here illegally to jump ahead of deserving people who have been trying to get here for years, but to be practical, we need an honest adult discussion, of how to prevent the uncontrolled screen door that is the consequence of our current failed illegal immigration policy. (Perhaps the punishment for illegal immigration should be hard labor, building a wall... say on the Az border?) </p><p></p><p>Realistically, I do not expect this adult conversation to happen during this term. The political football being bandied about is the potential millions of votes when these illegals get, "legalized", all of the discussion I've seen recently is self serving toward relatively short term political ends and not toward long term solutions (I am not surprised that is the nature of the beast).</p><p></p><p>Economically this is a good source of growth for our economy, that we should embrace, but without the unfairness of the current system. </p><p></p><p></p><p>This is conflicted for business who needs these workers to do jobs many americans don't want to do for economic wages. Chasing off this source of low/un-skilled labor will not force business to pay more, but lead to even more importing of cost competitive goods from other regions. Which almost brings us full circle on this thread topic, while this is about rare materials, not just labor intensive, while the labor content seems mixed up in that Indian law that regulators are enforcing. Thus the irony of enforcing some Indian labor content law while widely ignoring US law wrt immigration. </p><p></p><p>JR</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Roberts, post: 38928, member: 126"] Re: Gibson raided I caught the tail end of Henry being interviewed on one of the Fox cable channels (Dobbs) while i was surfing by. Since I was following this story I stayed for their take on it and no surprise it was an all out attack on political motivations and regulatory over reach. In the immediately following segment the regular (fox) talking heads showed how uninformed they were about the case specifics. I still think the US government has better things to do with their time and our money, there seems to be more to this story than the simple explanations. Tell that to the millions trying to emigrate here legally, following the rules. You may be surprised to learn that I agree with you about the economic benefit of large scale immigration, as most of the mature developed western nations are aging and declining in making replacement babies, to fuel the growth we need to support deficit spending. :-) BUT... and this is a very important but... It matters how we handle this. Those of us who are a little older and have been paying attention for that long recall that we fixed this once before, with a large scale amnesty and promise to manage/prevent future illegal immigration. As so often happens, congress passes laws, then drops the ball on funding the administration/execution of those laws (like our borders, etc). So the unintended consequence of the old amnesty was to telegraph to poor workers that it was worth the risk to, get here by illegal means and take their chances on eventual amnesty, or a slap on the wrist and free ride home, but this is not all upside for these guys since many are killed or taken advantage of by parasitic criminals working the border trafficking. Nobody expects the millions of illegal aliens settled here to be sent back, but anybody who has studied the history of this, knows, if we do the same thing as we did the last time, we will get the same result... Thus the motivation to first secure the border and manage the systems internally for identifying and managing illegals already here, before discussing amnesty. I won't argue the gross unfairness of allowing people who came here illegally to jump ahead of deserving people who have been trying to get here for years, but to be practical, we need an honest adult discussion, of how to prevent the uncontrolled screen door that is the consequence of our current failed illegal immigration policy. (Perhaps the punishment for illegal immigration should be hard labor, building a wall... say on the Az border?) Realistically, I do not expect this adult conversation to happen during this term. The political football being bandied about is the potential millions of votes when these illegals get, "legalized", all of the discussion I've seen recently is self serving toward relatively short term political ends and not toward long term solutions (I am not surprised that is the nature of the beast). Economically this is a good source of growth for our economy, that we should embrace, but without the unfairness of the current system. This is conflicted for business who needs these workers to do jobs many americans don't want to do for economic wages. Chasing off this source of low/un-skilled labor will not force business to pay more, but lead to even more importing of cost competitive goods from other regions. Which almost brings us full circle on this thread topic, while this is about rare materials, not just labor intensive, while the labor content seems mixed up in that Indian law that regulators are enforcing. Thus the irony of enforcing some Indian labor content law while widely ignoring US law wrt immigration. JR [/QUOTE]
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