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<blockquote data-quote="John Roberts" data-source="post: 38943" data-attributes="member: 126"><p>Re: Gibson raided</p><p></p><p></p><p>Should i be a little nervous about the Hammer, being somewhat in agreement with my position? </p><p></p><p>Gibson is clearly using rare wood, that is restricted/protected by sundry laws in other nations. </p><p></p><p>However (AFAIK) they dotted their i's and crossed their t's regarding "legal" documentation, so according to US law they were meeting their legal requirement. Their agents knowingly sourced this material on a gray market, and apparently skirted a local law regarding local labor content. In general I am OK in principle with following foreign laws *when in Rome" etc. But US regulators pursuing some infraction of foreign laws while overlooking other domestic law infractions, stinks of selective prosecution. Sounds like the Gibson thing is personal with somebody. The implications of this applied broadly are scary for everyone who owns a high end instrument. </p><p></p><p>I read an article a few months ago about otherwise innocent businessmen ensnared by some obscure law that they unknowingly broke. One example that I recall was of a business man trying to develop a new battery technology so he had all kinds of toxic materials around... When he ran out money, he shuttered his operation and secured, but did not dispose of the toxic materials following (very expensive) federal guidelines, intending to return and pick up his development where he left off... Now he is bankrupted by fines and may do hard time. This is not some gangster in Bayonne, NJ burying 55 gallon drums of toxic waste under some junkyard, but a cash poor inventor trying to invent. </p><p></p><p>As they keep passing more and more laws, mostly with good intentions, it becomes easier for us to innocently get ensnared by one. This Lacey act seems like typical good intentions, but how it is being applied smells a little fishy, and wildlifey. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Like Castro did with the Mariel Boat lift. </p><p></p><p>Statistics on this group are a little sketchy... I don't think they were supposed to be counted in the last census, but who knows. </p><p></p><p>It is no secret that many SA countries count on this revenue stream to keep their economy going. </p><p></p><p>I have no problem with whatever LEGAL workers do with THEIR money honestly earned. </p><p></p><p>Yawn... almost as bad as those hippies back in the "60's with their communes, but not as bad as in the slums where some of these workers came from. At least they are living within their means, saving money, and using it productively albeit in another country.</p><p></p><p>Not as bad of a problem as unfunded future entitlements, but thats another debate. </p><p></p><p>Amen brother... but even our legal immigration can't shoot straight. They have many times the number of legal applicants as slots for them, so every year they run a lottery to randomly select the winners from this larger pool. In a clerical error, instead of randomly selecting from the pool, some gomer just sent out notices in sequence from the top of this list. After they discovered their mistake, they then notified a few 10k people, disregard that notice, no you are not coming to America this year... Now that's cruel and mocking the system. </p><p></p><p>Not that nonchalant. This topic has been raised by responsible legislators from both sides but beaten back down by party leadership who didn't see it in their interest, at that moment in time. I consider it criminal for legislators to kick this down the road, while the recent political feints are not credible or responsible either. </p><p></p><p>Americans have a relatively short attention span, and our success at preventing attacks at home, is mistaken by many as the lack of a credible ongoing threat. Now that Patreus is over the CIA, I expect (hope) he will be even more effective, but there is only so much he can do. It was good to see Afghan troops standing up to Taliban attackers, but there are still way to few of them to be effective.</p><p></p><p>Iran just announced they will release the two American hikers, on $500,000 bail, each... This is all about the Benjamins, and they needed the cool Million in cash, more that the propaganda ploy, since nobody expects these guys back to the kangaroo court. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't hear that, but if the supremes say so who am I to argue. This whole immigration situation needs to be rationalized, for the one important reason. It is the right thing to do. </p><p></p><p>Of course opinions vary.</p><p></p><p>JR</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Roberts, post: 38943, member: 126"] Re: Gibson raided Should i be a little nervous about the Hammer, being somewhat in agreement with my position? Gibson is clearly using rare wood, that is restricted/protected by sundry laws in other nations. However (AFAIK) they dotted their i's and crossed their t's regarding "legal" documentation, so according to US law they were meeting their legal requirement. Their agents knowingly sourced this material on a gray market, and apparently skirted a local law regarding local labor content. In general I am OK in principle with following foreign laws *when in Rome" etc. But US regulators pursuing some infraction of foreign laws while overlooking other domestic law infractions, stinks of selective prosecution. Sounds like the Gibson thing is personal with somebody. The implications of this applied broadly are scary for everyone who owns a high end instrument. I read an article a few months ago about otherwise innocent businessmen ensnared by some obscure law that they unknowingly broke. One example that I recall was of a business man trying to develop a new battery technology so he had all kinds of toxic materials around... When he ran out money, he shuttered his operation and secured, but did not dispose of the toxic materials following (very expensive) federal guidelines, intending to return and pick up his development where he left off... Now he is bankrupted by fines and may do hard time. This is not some gangster in Bayonne, NJ burying 55 gallon drums of toxic waste under some junkyard, but a cash poor inventor trying to invent. As they keep passing more and more laws, mostly with good intentions, it becomes easier for us to innocently get ensnared by one. This Lacey act seems like typical good intentions, but how it is being applied smells a little fishy, and wildlifey. Like Castro did with the Mariel Boat lift. Statistics on this group are a little sketchy... I don't think they were supposed to be counted in the last census, but who knows. It is no secret that many SA countries count on this revenue stream to keep their economy going. I have no problem with whatever LEGAL workers do with THEIR money honestly earned. Yawn... almost as bad as those hippies back in the "60's with their communes, but not as bad as in the slums where some of these workers came from. At least they are living within their means, saving money, and using it productively albeit in another country. Not as bad of a problem as unfunded future entitlements, but thats another debate. Amen brother... but even our legal immigration can't shoot straight. They have many times the number of legal applicants as slots for them, so every year they run a lottery to randomly select the winners from this larger pool. In a clerical error, instead of randomly selecting from the pool, some gomer just sent out notices in sequence from the top of this list. After they discovered their mistake, they then notified a few 10k people, disregard that notice, no you are not coming to America this year... Now that's cruel and mocking the system. Not that nonchalant. This topic has been raised by responsible legislators from both sides but beaten back down by party leadership who didn't see it in their interest, at that moment in time. I consider it criminal for legislators to kick this down the road, while the recent political feints are not credible or responsible either. Americans have a relatively short attention span, and our success at preventing attacks at home, is mistaken by many as the lack of a credible ongoing threat. Now that Patreus is over the CIA, I expect (hope) he will be even more effective, but there is only so much he can do. It was good to see Afghan troops standing up to Taliban attackers, but there are still way to few of them to be effective. Iran just announced they will release the two American hikers, on $500,000 bail, each... This is all about the Benjamins, and they needed the cool Million in cash, more that the propaganda ploy, since nobody expects these guys back to the kangaroo court. I didn't hear that, but if the supremes say so who am I to argue. This whole immigration situation needs to be rationalized, for the one important reason. It is the right thing to do. Of course opinions vary. JR [/QUOTE]
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