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<blockquote data-quote="John Chiara" data-source="post: 73898" data-attributes="member: 53"><p>Re: Grumpy guy observation about the X32 thread</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am here to defend my species...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>I have done both... Bought my first Bogen amp and some homemade 4x12" column speakers with paisley grill cloth in 1971. Then graduated to Shure Vocal Master. While doing a gig in Montreal on my birthday in 1986...while I was partaking in some visual delight... Someone broke into the band car and stole my HK cassette deck..and I bought a Yamaha 4 track cassette deck... Beginning of the end.</p><p>For me..as I have explained before, it seems a little strange to me that while all the musicians practiced their instruments, most mixers only push faders at the show. What does that learning curve look like? I am progressing to the point, because of extended studio work, that I can easily visualize EQ, compression slopes, attack/release, how side chains work, instrument fundamentals and harmonics...all things that every other sound person in my world has absolutely no grasp of...not to mention any clue of how to use effects to create useful and convincing spaces for different kinds of music. Hard to set comp settings and effective gates/expanders when you only have showtime to figure it out. IMO, if someone wants to actually be a mix engineer, they need to practice like everybody else. YMMV... But I don't think it will!</p><p>I would much rather hire someone who understands how to put the elements of a mix together from experience and teach them how drive the truck and wire the stage. That can be learned on the job. How do you teach someone to mix if you are mixing? I don't even talk to people during the show. And really. The audience doesn't give a hoot who drove the truck and flew the arrays, they want to hear a quality mixed show. Without that I think the rest is just politics and marketing...which I could accept if it provided a superior product, but I have seen zero evidence of this </p><p>My motto..."mix is a verb, not a noun."</p><p>PS: only heard one show all year where I thought the guy had a handle on the live mix.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Chiara, post: 73898, member: 53"] Re: Grumpy guy observation about the X32 thread I am here to defend my species...:) I have done both... Bought my first Bogen amp and some homemade 4x12" column speakers with paisley grill cloth in 1971. Then graduated to Shure Vocal Master. While doing a gig in Montreal on my birthday in 1986...while I was partaking in some visual delight... Someone broke into the band car and stole my HK cassette deck..and I bought a Yamaha 4 track cassette deck... Beginning of the end. For me..as I have explained before, it seems a little strange to me that while all the musicians practiced their instruments, most mixers only push faders at the show. What does that learning curve look like? I am progressing to the point, because of extended studio work, that I can easily visualize EQ, compression slopes, attack/release, how side chains work, instrument fundamentals and harmonics...all things that every other sound person in my world has absolutely no grasp of...not to mention any clue of how to use effects to create useful and convincing spaces for different kinds of music. Hard to set comp settings and effective gates/expanders when you only have showtime to figure it out. IMO, if someone wants to actually be a mix engineer, they need to practice like everybody else. YMMV... But I don't think it will! I would much rather hire someone who understands how to put the elements of a mix together from experience and teach them how drive the truck and wire the stage. That can be learned on the job. How do you teach someone to mix if you are mixing? I don't even talk to people during the show. And really. The audience doesn't give a hoot who drove the truck and flew the arrays, they want to hear a quality mixed show. Without that I think the rest is just politics and marketing...which I could accept if it provided a superior product, but I have seen zero evidence of this My motto..."mix is a verb, not a noun." PS: only heard one show all year where I thought the guy had a handle on the live mix. [/QUOTE]
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