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<blockquote data-quote="John Chiara" data-source="post: 73914" data-attributes="member: 53"><p>Re: Grumpy guy observation about the X32 thread</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, I disagree. A kick drum is a kick drum. Would you think knowing ways to get a good kick sound in the studio, as well as how to process toms and overhead mics to form a coherent drum mix would NOT help in a live setting? That makes no sense. I use very similar approaches in the studio and live and they work in both settings. You are constructing a frequency and dynamically layered mix...If you have a clear reference you will work towards that...learning how to do something in the studio doesn't keep you from doing it live! Actually, just the opposite. If a mixer can learn many different ways to approach a mix, through trial and error, how is that less advantageous? They train pilots in simulators. Again the problem persists... How do you practice mixing live sound if you only mix on a gig. Kinda unfair to the performer it would seem. Most techniques I use i cant even discuss with local guys as they have never considered things like parallel processing or even deessing or frequency layering.I have heard this perspective for years but it seems the best live mixers are also studio mixers. As long as one learns how to adapt to different mix environments the process is not that different. Again, I have been doing both for decades and mix music every day of the week. Also, I hear excuses like..."I like to keep it sounding live"...Really??? Guess what.. It's already live!!! You making it sound more live makes it sound unproduced and usually leaves instruments out if the mix. </p><p>Overall, the worst part of live shows that I see, assuming the band is decent, are mix engineers with no idea how to construct any semblance of a studio quality mix. In 2013, I chalk this up to the same scenario that creates all the crap bands that I often see..no one tells them it needs to be better.</p><p></p><p>Ok, I feel a little better...thanks!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Chiara, post: 73914, member: 53"] Re: Grumpy guy observation about the X32 thread Well, I disagree. A kick drum is a kick drum. Would you think knowing ways to get a good kick sound in the studio, as well as how to process toms and overhead mics to form a coherent drum mix would NOT help in a live setting? That makes no sense. I use very similar approaches in the studio and live and they work in both settings. You are constructing a frequency and dynamically layered mix...If you have a clear reference you will work towards that...learning how to do something in the studio doesn't keep you from doing it live! Actually, just the opposite. If a mixer can learn many different ways to approach a mix, through trial and error, how is that less advantageous? They train pilots in simulators. Again the problem persists... How do you practice mixing live sound if you only mix on a gig. Kinda unfair to the performer it would seem. Most techniques I use i cant even discuss with local guys as they have never considered things like parallel processing or even deessing or frequency layering.I have heard this perspective for years but it seems the best live mixers are also studio mixers. As long as one learns how to adapt to different mix environments the process is not that different. Again, I have been doing both for decades and mix music every day of the week. Also, I hear excuses like..."I like to keep it sounding live"...Really??? Guess what.. It's already live!!! You making it sound more live makes it sound unproduced and usually leaves instruments out if the mix. Overall, the worst part of live shows that I see, assuming the band is decent, are mix engineers with no idea how to construct any semblance of a studio quality mix. In 2013, I chalk this up to the same scenario that creates all the crap bands that I often see..no one tells them it needs to be better. Ok, I feel a little better...thanks! [/QUOTE]
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