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<blockquote data-quote="Bob Leonard" data-source="post: 129156" data-attributes="member: 51">Re: Guitar Amp ModelersAbsolutely correct Andrew, it&#039;s a huge rookie mistake to not have your amp in good running shape and your pedal board setup and working properly. I have never tweaked at the gig. The problem is that no matter how many people ask you for tips, most of them either don&#039;t listen or just can&#039;t grasp the concept. Sound check for my guitar rig usually takes about 10 minutes.Modeler&#039;s are OK for many things. Bass, horns, drums, piano, organ, but guitar is just one of those things that is extremely hard to model. The move to sampled sounds has given modeling a chance to catch up, in particular with acoustic and nylon guitars. Clean electric? Not so much. I know someone with a Kempler (did I spell that right?) who is going to stop by when I&#039;m feeling better, so I&#039;ll reserve my opinion.What I believe JR is eluding to are the harmonics, 3rd and 5th order, that are created and part of a tube driven amplifiers tone. IMO impossible to create with a 3 legged dummy. Add to that the reaction of a tubes plate as voltage sags within the circuit, the reaction of carbon comp resistors, capacitors of different types, etc. and I don&#039;t see how it&#039;s possible to replicate that sound and that feel with a chip. Completely distorted tones maybe, but clean, no way. When I walk up to a modeler , slap it on the top and here those springs bounce, then maybe.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bob Leonard, post: 129156, member: 51"] Re: Guitar Amp Modelers Absolutely correct Andrew, it's a huge rookie mistake to not have your amp in good running shape and your pedal board setup and working properly. I have never tweaked at the gig. The problem is that no matter how many people ask you for tips, most of them either don't listen or just can't grasp the concept. Sound check for my guitar rig usually takes about 10 minutes. Modeler's are OK for many things. Bass, horns, drums, piano, organ, but guitar is just one of those things that is extremely hard to model. The move to sampled sounds has given modeling a chance to catch up, in particular with acoustic and nylon guitars. Clean electric? Not so much. I know someone with a Kempler (did I spell that right?) who is going to stop by when I'm feeling better, so I'll reserve my opinion. What I believe JR is eluding to are the harmonics, 3rd and 5th order, that are created and part of a tube driven amplifiers tone. IMO impossible to create with a 3 legged dummy. Add to that the reaction of a tubes plate as voltage sags within the circuit, the reaction of carbon comp resistors, capacitors of different types, etc. and I don't see how it's possible to replicate that sound and that feel with a chip. Completely distorted tones maybe, but clean, no way. When I walk up to a modeler , slap it on the top and here those springs bounce, then maybe. [/QUOTE]

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