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<blockquote data-quote="John Roberts" data-source="post: 39954" data-attributes="member: 126"><p>Re: In my 3rd year of High School... Now what?</p><p></p><p></p><p>It seems we've been around this tree before...</p><p></p><p>The presumption surrounding NCLB is that that the educational professionals were the education experts, and simple management for results could be applied. If I go to a lawyer, or doctor, or a car mechanic, I don't tell him how to fix my car, I expect them to figure that out. </p><p></p><p>If the teachers want to admit that they can't do the JOB, they stop trying, there seems to be a catch 22 where they want to be left alone, to continue failing to educate the children. </p><p></p><p>I've never once had a job where I was allowed to continue failing to accomplish the task I was hired and paid to perform.</p><p></p><p>I recall being bored in class.. and I received an adequate education. Superior students will always excel, sooner or later. Those who need the attention to reach baseline (grade level) performance, need to get priority. Educating the weak students will not hurt us as a society, if anything it will make us stronger as they are better equipped to deal with modern life and less of a burden on social support systems. </p><p></p><p>There are many school reformers who have been chewed up and spit out by entrenched power bases. The Wash DC school district is one visible recent example, but there are others repeated all around the country. </p><p></p><p>This shouldn't be an US-THEM conflict.. we all should have the common goal to educate all our children. Standardized testing seems the only practical way to measure results. This isn't rocket science, it is elementary education, which we have been doing for hundreds of years. We have used standardized tests for a long time too (i recall taking several as a young puke), just not closing the loop, to manage teaching performance. </p><p></p><p>Forced to teach something wrong..?? If she is talking about a flawed test question this (AFAIK) is still negotiated at the state level., I think the nationwide standardized tests haven't kicked in yet. There seems to be a lot of incompetence at many levels. No doubt there are good people at multiple levels trying also, but the preponderance of evidence suggests to me that this is classic bureaucracy, resistant to change, and outside meddling, while incapable of performing it's nominal function for a high enough percentage of their students. </p><p></p><p>it would be appropriate to blame NCLB, if the program was a comprehensive soup to nuts take over of education, but as I understand it, it is measuring the results of the teaching that the regional school administrations perform. If these local school administrations respond by "teaching the test" at least the students should learn that information (unless the test questions are wrong). </p><p></p><p></p><p>I guess this depends on what you mean by value. Employers value education by paying educated people who can perform more difficult tasks, more money. Society (parents?) don't seem to value numerous virtues, education is just one on that list. </p><p></p><p>The government is not the solution for anything, including local education, but like I told my local political education adminstrata wannabe... teach the kids so they pass the damn tests, and NCLB government pukes will have nothing to bother you about... </p><p></p><p>JR</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Roberts, post: 39954, member: 126"] Re: In my 3rd year of High School... Now what? It seems we've been around this tree before... The presumption surrounding NCLB is that that the educational professionals were the education experts, and simple management for results could be applied. If I go to a lawyer, or doctor, or a car mechanic, I don't tell him how to fix my car, I expect them to figure that out. If the teachers want to admit that they can't do the JOB, they stop trying, there seems to be a catch 22 where they want to be left alone, to continue failing to educate the children. I've never once had a job where I was allowed to continue failing to accomplish the task I was hired and paid to perform. I recall being bored in class.. and I received an adequate education. Superior students will always excel, sooner or later. Those who need the attention to reach baseline (grade level) performance, need to get priority. Educating the weak students will not hurt us as a society, if anything it will make us stronger as they are better equipped to deal with modern life and less of a burden on social support systems. There are many school reformers who have been chewed up and spit out by entrenched power bases. The Wash DC school district is one visible recent example, but there are others repeated all around the country. This shouldn't be an US-THEM conflict.. we all should have the common goal to educate all our children. Standardized testing seems the only practical way to measure results. This isn't rocket science, it is elementary education, which we have been doing for hundreds of years. We have used standardized tests for a long time too (i recall taking several as a young puke), just not closing the loop, to manage teaching performance. Forced to teach something wrong..?? If she is talking about a flawed test question this (AFAIK) is still negotiated at the state level., I think the nationwide standardized tests haven't kicked in yet. There seems to be a lot of incompetence at many levels. No doubt there are good people at multiple levels trying also, but the preponderance of evidence suggests to me that this is classic bureaucracy, resistant to change, and outside meddling, while incapable of performing it's nominal function for a high enough percentage of their students. it would be appropriate to blame NCLB, if the program was a comprehensive soup to nuts take over of education, but as I understand it, it is measuring the results of the teaching that the regional school administrations perform. If these local school administrations respond by "teaching the test" at least the students should learn that information (unless the test questions are wrong). I guess this depends on what you mean by value. Employers value education by paying educated people who can perform more difficult tasks, more money. Society (parents?) don't seem to value numerous virtues, education is just one on that list. The government is not the solution for anything, including local education, but like I told my local political education adminstrata wannabe... teach the kids so they pass the damn tests, and NCLB government pukes will have nothing to bother you about... JR [/QUOTE]
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