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Is Global Warming A Thing? (Hurricane Sandy Spinoff)
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<blockquote data-quote="John Roberts" data-source="post: 67596" data-attributes="member: 126"><p>Re: Hurricane Sandy</p><p></p><p></p><p>Not sure what your point is, but studies of global temps after major eruptions generally reflect modest short term cooling, if it throws enough matter high enough into the upper atmosphere. (Like Mt Pinatubo in '91). </p><p></p><p>um yes? </p><p></p><p>But we manage to introduce and release many things into the atmosphere as side effects from our oxidation of fossil fuels. </p><p></p><p>There does appear to be some correlation with human industrialization, while correlation does not prove cause. </p><p></p><p>Think of how much heat is in the molten core, coming in from the sun, and reradiated back out into space. Yes lots of heat around. </p><p></p><p>I'd make electricity.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps a stirling cycle heat engine using differential between surface and deeper water temp. </p><p></p><p>We should be able to get more energy out than it takes us to extract it, like drilling for oil and pumping it to the surface. </p><p></p><p>?? not sure I follow. It would pull heat from ocean surface, convert it to electricity, and move it to where the electricity is consumed where it will be released as heat again. Not create new heat, move around existing heat. Cooling the equatorial ocean surface temps should reduce intensity of tropical storms (probably with some unintended bad effect I don't immediately see). Increasing the temp in cities where electricity gets consumed is an already occurring phenomenon and we can deal with that "problem" when it becomes more bothersome. Reducing intensity of harmful tropical storms may justify the exchange. </p><p></p><p>In fact we could, and I strongly advice caution before doing so in any scale, because the unintended consequences could be major. </p><p></p><p>One area that has been researched is altering the absorption/reflection coefficient of the ocean surface. making this more reflective could cool, making it absorb more hotter. Also messing with cloud formation could alter thermal loss/absorption calculus. </p><p></p><p>This has been researched as a technique, not tested for systemic control. Again I warn of unintended consequences from not being absolutely certain of what we are doing. </p><p></p><p>Unless there is some sudden cataclysmic event (like bad sci-fi movies), and even then the human race is extremely adaptable. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I am inclined to agree, that we can't "stop" mother nature but we can learn to intelligently coexist, and maybe nudge her one way or the other. I don't think we need to throw a thermostat on the global temp and set it for some fixed "correct" temperature. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Or not... </p><p></p><p>JR</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Roberts, post: 67596, member: 126"] Re: Hurricane Sandy Not sure what your point is, but studies of global temps after major eruptions generally reflect modest short term cooling, if it throws enough matter high enough into the upper atmosphere. (Like Mt Pinatubo in '91). um yes? But we manage to introduce and release many things into the atmosphere as side effects from our oxidation of fossil fuels. There does appear to be some correlation with human industrialization, while correlation does not prove cause. Think of how much heat is in the molten core, coming in from the sun, and reradiated back out into space. Yes lots of heat around. I'd make electricity. Perhaps a stirling cycle heat engine using differential between surface and deeper water temp. We should be able to get more energy out than it takes us to extract it, like drilling for oil and pumping it to the surface. ?? not sure I follow. It would pull heat from ocean surface, convert it to electricity, and move it to where the electricity is consumed where it will be released as heat again. Not create new heat, move around existing heat. Cooling the equatorial ocean surface temps should reduce intensity of tropical storms (probably with some unintended bad effect I don't immediately see). Increasing the temp in cities where electricity gets consumed is an already occurring phenomenon and we can deal with that "problem" when it becomes more bothersome. Reducing intensity of harmful tropical storms may justify the exchange. In fact we could, and I strongly advice caution before doing so in any scale, because the unintended consequences could be major. One area that has been researched is altering the absorption/reflection coefficient of the ocean surface. making this more reflective could cool, making it absorb more hotter. Also messing with cloud formation could alter thermal loss/absorption calculus. This has been researched as a technique, not tested for systemic control. Again I warn of unintended consequences from not being absolutely certain of what we are doing. Unless there is some sudden cataclysmic event (like bad sci-fi movies), and even then the human race is extremely adaptable. I am inclined to agree, that we can't "stop" mother nature but we can learn to intelligently coexist, and maybe nudge her one way or the other. I don't think we need to throw a thermostat on the global temp and set it for some fixed "correct" temperature. Or not... JR [/QUOTE]
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