Let's graduate AGAIN!
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Re: Let's graduate AGAIN!
Nice photo, thanks for sharing.
As usual with photos of a nice setup I have questions:
What type speakers are the front fills? Clever arrangement!
What are the stage risers in front of the main stage for?
What/who is the (presumably) loudspeaker to the right of the American flag pointing at?
Will there be people seated in the section of seating "behind" the stage?
What are you doing for lighting?
And why is a section of the main stage not black?
I'm glad one of the forum veterans posted a photo of ground stacked line array boxes.
What I've spent the last 3 days on, 1 more to go....
Got to love doing spoken word in a room designed for loud grunting athletes, with screaming HVAC. All in a day's (and night's) work.
Have fun, good luck.
Tim Mc
Nice photo, thanks for sharing.
As usual with photos of a nice setup I have questions:
What type speakers are the front fills? Clever arrangement!
What are the stage risers in front of the main stage for?
What/who is the (presumably) loudspeaker to the right of the American flag pointing at?
Will there be people seated in the section of seating "behind" the stage?
What are you doing for lighting?
And why is a section of the main stage not black?
I'm glad one of the forum veterans posted a photo of ground stacked line array boxes.
Re: Let's graduate AGAIN!
Tim,
Im digging the towers, but why didn't you just fly from the steel in the building? What are those towers?
Tim,
Im digging the towers, but why didn't you just fly from the steel in the building? What are those towers?
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Ours is in an arena about 1/3 that size. No one has ever come close to producing any vocal clarity. I don.
't know what is on tap for this year bht they have been through 3 providers in 3 years and have had 2 weather related power outages in the same time. 2 years ago they asked the provider to have a backup plan for when the power goes down. When it did they handed the speaker a hand held bull horn.
Ours is in an arena about 1/3 that size. No one has ever come close to producing any vocal clarity. I don.
't know what is on tap for this year bht they have been through 3 providers in 3 years and have had 2 weather related power outages in the same time. 2 years ago they asked the provider to have a backup plan for when the power goes down. When it did they handed the speaker a hand held bull horn.
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The athletic dept is a separate corporation who did not order a new load study when the arena was renovated, insulated and re-roofed. For us to rig from the steel would require new engineering for which we would be obligated. Also, in the renovation the access to the top of the steel went away (insulation) and rigger access is very difficult. It takes less time to build the towers than it would to get the rigging done.
The towers are Applied's Mini25.
Have fun, good luck.
Tim Mc
The athletic dept is a separate corporation who did not order a new load study when the arena was renovated, insulated and re-roofed. For us to rig from the steel would require new engineering for which we would be obligated. Also, in the renovation the access to the top of the steel went away (insulation) and rigger access is very difficult. It takes less time to build the towers than it would to get the rigging done.
The towers are Applied's Mini25.
Have fun, good luck.
Tim Mc
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Hi Kristian-
The front fills are EAW SM-122. They cover the very center for about 3 rows, the main hangs cover the rest. The riser in front of the stage is for the photographer who takes the pictures of the graduated receiving their diploma and shaking hands with the Dean of their college.
The speaker you see between the flag and the tower is a monitor for the platform party, it's facing upstage at an angle. There is another on stage right.
There is no seating behind the stage, but we cover roughly 270 degrees. Lighting is existing arena fixtures, no special lighting is brought in for the vidiots. It looks surprisingly good on the webcast.
The center stripe running up & downstage is a continuity piece that follows the banner hanging dead center. From straight on it has a 'forced perspective' look.
As for the ground stack... it was done because there was no budget for another pair of towers. See my reply to Scott LaRochelle regarding the use of towers rather than rigging to structural steel. The vertical coverage angle required for the off-stage overflow seating is 35 degrees and the furthest seat is about 30 meters from the stack. If we had to hit further out I'd try to find a way to fly the 4889s. It works well, and the "seams" of coverage where the 4887 meets the 4889 sound very even.
Have fun, good luck.
Tim Mc
Hi Kristian-
The front fills are EAW SM-122. They cover the very center for about 3 rows, the main hangs cover the rest. The riser in front of the stage is for the photographer who takes the pictures of the graduated receiving their diploma and shaking hands with the Dean of their college.
The speaker you see between the flag and the tower is a monitor for the platform party, it's facing upstage at an angle. There is another on stage right.
There is no seating behind the stage, but we cover roughly 270 degrees. Lighting is existing arena fixtures, no special lighting is brought in for the vidiots. It looks surprisingly good on the webcast.
The center stripe running up & downstage is a continuity piece that follows the banner hanging dead center. From straight on it has a 'forced perspective' look.
As for the ground stack... it was done because there was no budget for another pair of towers. See my reply to Scott LaRochelle regarding the use of towers rather than rigging to structural steel. The vertical coverage angle required for the off-stage overflow seating is 35 degrees and the furthest seat is about 30 meters from the stack. If we had to hit further out I'd try to find a way to fly the 4889s. It works well, and the "seams" of coverage where the 4887 meets the 4889 sound very even.
Have fun, good luck.
Tim Mc
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Wow, Jay, that's too bad. Wish you were here to give this a listen. The university Performance Facilities director is very concerned with intelligibility which is why he does not allow use of the installed arena system or any portions thereof. If your schools vendors have been tying in to existing gear I can almost guarantee clarity problems unless they have time & experience to align everything.
The city high schools that use this arena don't hire us (it's budget again) and it shows. Last year one high school had Defense Secretary Robert Gates (an alumnus) as speaker and he could not be understood. The rude audience was part of it, but the combination of a small vendor system and use of the delay ring and portions of under-scoreboard system created time issues that undermined any hope of understanding Secretary Gates presentation. I felt bad for him, but for some reason the school staff didn't recognize the problems.
This rig rocks, too. The recessional for 3 of the university colleges is the Grand March from Aida (a looping edit). The 4880s provide some visceral impact to the low brass and bass drum that we've not had in the arena until we began providing this system a couple of years ago. Subs on aux, for playback only...
Have fun, good luck.
Tim Mc
Wow, Jay, that's too bad. Wish you were here to give this a listen. The university Performance Facilities director is very concerned with intelligibility which is why he does not allow use of the installed arena system or any portions thereof. If your schools vendors have been tying in to existing gear I can almost guarantee clarity problems unless they have time & experience to align everything.
The city high schools that use this arena don't hire us (it's budget again) and it shows. Last year one high school had Defense Secretary Robert Gates (an alumnus) as speaker and he could not be understood. The rude audience was part of it, but the combination of a small vendor system and use of the delay ring and portions of under-scoreboard system created time issues that undermined any hope of understanding Secretary Gates presentation. I felt bad for him, but for some reason the school staff didn't recognize the problems.
This rig rocks, too. The recessional for 3 of the university colleges is the Grand March from Aida (a looping edit). The 4880s provide some visceral impact to the low brass and bass drum that we've not had in the arena until we began providing this system a couple of years ago. Subs on aux, for playback only...
Have fun, good luck.
Tim Mc
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I believe there is a feedback loop between lack of intelligibility and crowd rudeness. The harder it is to understand a speaker, the ruder the crowd gets which makes it even harder. The person reponsible for sound related stuff in our county is a former military electronics guy without a strong understanding of system level stuff. For example, as a special favor to our principal a couple weeks ago I set up 2hpr152's with 4 k10's as fills for a all student event in our gym. The year before it was done with a fender passport with 22 guage telephone wire as speaker cables.
I usually shake my head, and then head on out to whatever weekend gig I have planned.
A really scary thing is that Matt Viv is a former student of mine and I saw a posting for a job maintaining the counties av equipment and they wouldn't even talk to him. I think it was because it was clear he new more than the person who would have been his boss, a person well known for protecting their territory.
I believe there is a feedback loop between lack of intelligibility and crowd rudeness. The harder it is to understand a speaker, the ruder the crowd gets which makes it even harder. The person reponsible for sound related stuff in our county is a former military electronics guy without a strong understanding of system level stuff. For example, as a special favor to our principal a couple weeks ago I set up 2hpr152's with 4 k10's as fills for a all student event in our gym. The year before it was done with a fender passport with 22 guage telephone wire as speaker cables.
I usually shake my head, and then head on out to whatever weekend gig I have planned.
A really scary thing is that Matt Viv is a former student of mine and I saw a posting for a job maintaining the counties av equipment and they wouldn't even talk to him. I think it was because it was clear he new more than the person who would have been his boss, a person well known for protecting their territory.
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Yes, and yes. They have a different front outrigger that extends further and has a wider base area. I'll try to get a pic and add it to this when we get a break.
Yes, and yes. They have a different front outrigger that extends further and has a wider base area. I'll try to get a pic and add it to this when we get a break.
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