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<blockquote data-quote="Ivan Beaver" data-source="post: 58112" data-attributes="member: 30">Re: lighten up some subsA couple of comment based on REAL experience-decades of it.I was a reconer for a couple of decades-so I have seen ALL KINDS of failures.&nbsp; I have seen all the major players (during the time I was doing it) have various types of &quot;falling apart&quot;-coils coming seperated-lead in wires break-surrounds tear-dust caps coming off-cones tearing and so forth.&nbsp; So it happends to the big boys also.&nbsp; It is a loudspeaker-which is mechanical in nature-and they fail.&nbsp; Simple as that.When you say &quot;run full range&quot;-exactly what does that mean?&nbsp; If that meant you ran it without a proper highpass-then yes-it is pretty easy (especially with todays larger amplifiers) to make the driver overexcursion and destroy itself. EVERY LOUDSPEAKER should have a PROPERLY SET highpass!&nbsp; And a low pass on everyspeaker (including horns) is not a bad idea either.Just something to consider-and this is the same issue that has plagued Peavey for years.&nbsp; There are all sorts of cases out there of people saying that Peavey systems sound bad-Eminance driver fail easily and so forth.&nbsp; BUT-LET&#039;S CONSIDER the typical USER of those products.&nbsp; Because they are inexpensive-the typical user has little to no experience in the proper operation of ANY audio gear.&nbsp; So they just do what they want-and it fails.&nbsp; Or it sounds bad because the operator hos no idea what he is doing DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&nbsp; No brainer there.&nbsp; Give a beginner the best musical instrument int he world and it will sound bad.&nbsp; is it the instruments fault?&nbsp; Now give a beginner instrument to a REAL player-and it will sound pretty good.&nbsp; It doesn&#039;t sound like the typical player of that instrument.&nbsp; So you HAVE to consider who is using the gear and what they do to it.An experienced operator will pay attention to the little things-and often those are the things that will allow a system to live and play another gig.Yes Eminance makes some inexpensive loudspeakers-and operated within their INTENDED usage-they will do just fine.&nbsp; But MANY TIMES-people will drive them much harder and expect them to operate the same as much more expensive loudspeakers and they fail. Is that the fault of the loudspeaker? There are limits.And then they bitch on the internet.&nbsp; Those are probably the same people that drive cheap cars and complain they don&#039;t have the performance of the &quot;performance cars&quot;&nbsp; Well DUH again-the cheap car was not designed for that usage-so don&#039;t complain when it doesn&#039;t do something you think it should.The difference between Genius and stupidity is that Genius has its limits.&nbsp; It is really amazing what some people attempt to do to loudspeakers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ivan Beaver, post: 58112, member: 30"] Re: lighten up some subs A couple of comment based on REAL experience-decades of it. I was a reconer for a couple of decades-so I have seen ALL KINDS of failures. I have seen all the major players (during the time I was doing it) have various types of "falling apart"-coils coming seperated-lead in wires break-surrounds tear-dust caps coming off-cones tearing and so forth. So it happends to the big boys also. It is a loudspeaker-which is mechanical in nature-and they fail. Simple as that. When you say "run full range"-exactly what does that mean? If that meant you ran it without a proper highpass-then yes-it is pretty easy (especially with todays larger amplifiers) to make the driver overexcursion and destroy itself. EVERY LOUDSPEAKER should have a PROPERLY SET highpass! And a low pass on everyspeaker (including horns) is not a bad idea either. Just something to consider-and this is the same issue that has plagued Peavey for years. There are all sorts of cases out there of people saying that Peavey systems sound bad-Eminance driver fail easily and so forth. BUT-LET'S CONSIDER the typical USER of those products. Because they are inexpensive-the typical user has little to no experience in the proper operation of ANY audio gear. So they just do what they want-and it fails. Or it sounds bad because the operator hos no idea what he is doing DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No brainer there. Give a beginner the best musical instrument int he world and it will sound bad. is it the instruments fault? Now give a beginner instrument to a REAL player-and it will sound pretty good. It doesn't sound like the typical player of that instrument. So you HAVE to consider who is using the gear and what they do to it. An experienced operator will pay attention to the little things-and often those are the things that will allow a system to live and play another gig. Yes Eminance makes some inexpensive loudspeakers-and operated within their INTENDED usage-they will do just fine. But MANY TIMES-people will drive them much harder and expect them to operate the same as much more expensive loudspeakers and they fail. Is that the fault of the loudspeaker? There are limits. And then they bitch on the internet. Those are probably the same people that drive cheap cars and complain they don't have the performance of the "performance cars" Well DUH again-the cheap car was not designed for that usage-so don't complain when it doesn't do something you think it should. The difference between Genius and stupidity is that Genius has its limits. It is really amazing what some people attempt to do to loudspeakers. [/QUOTE]

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