[WTB] Looking for speaker processor options prefer 4 x8 , or EV factory setting capable...

Shane Presley

Shane Presley

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I am just waiting on the funds from a DBX drive rack sale - BUT I still have XW12 and 15 wedges to bi-amp. I'd REALLY like to get sometihng newer than the DX38, but I like the fact I could load the XW preset and go. I would like to buy UX8800 beause I have two, and it would give me redundancty, but who knows if the EV speaker tunings would translate well...
Anyway I have 12 EV wedges (6xw12a, 4xw15, 2xw15a (unless someone here wants to trade for microwedges :)) - I need to process them now that the driveracks sold. I don't much care about the EQ, I'm hoping the preset in the processor and the digital console eq's will take care of monitor issues...
I would prefer to load up EV factory presets (ala DX38). I'd also like if the processors for 8 bi-amp mixes would fit in 4 spaces...
Thanks - configuration options / suggestions welcome
SP
 
Re: Looking for speaker processor options prefer 4 x8 , or EV factory setting capable

Shane Presley said:
I am just waiting on the funds from a DBX drive rack sale - BUT I still have XW12 and 15 wedges to bi-amp. I'd REALLY like to get sometihng newer than the DX38, but I like the fact I could load the XW preset and go. I would like to buy UX8800 beause I have two, and it would give me redundancty, but who knows if the EV speaker tunings would translate well...
Anyway I have 12 EV wedges (6xw12a, 4xw15, 2xw15a (unless someone here wants to trade for microwedges :)) - I need to process them now that the driveracks sold. I don't much care about the EQ, I'm hoping the preset in the processor and the digital console eq's will take care of monitor issues...
I would prefer to load up EV factory presets (ala DX38). I'd also like if the processors for 8 bi-amp mixes would fit in 4 spaces...
Thanks - configuration options / suggestions welcome
SP
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I think the EV Netmax processors have the same presets as the DX46. That's an 16in x 16out in a 2RU unit.
 
Re: Looking for speaker processor options prefer 4 x8 , or EV factory setting capable

KT 9848? Not sure if they still make them, but there should be a ton of used ones on the market.
It pisses me off to no end that EV doesn't have a processor with the DX46's capabilities in a 4x8, 1RU format.
 
Re: Looking for speaker processor options prefer 4 x8 , or EV factory setting capable

Nick Pires said:
KT 9848? It pisses me off to no end that EV doesn't have a processor with the DX46's capabilities in a 4x8, 1RU format.
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LIKE x 1000 !!


Thanks - i've been looking for the DN 9848, and the DX 38...
any thoughts about etiher offering, is the DX38 too old now ? can you link multiples, control multiples via pc, etc...
 
Re: Looking for speaker processor options prefer 4 x8 , or EV factory setting capable

The Netmax is a great step up from any of those units listed, other than the DX46. Both the Nexmax and DX46 will allow you to use FIR filters on your wedges instead of traditional filters. Both of these will also have TEMP limiting options to protect your speakers coils from excessive heat. The Net max can be set up in many different ways, in groups of 8. (i.e. 8 inputs 24 outputs, 16 inputs 16 outputs, 24 inputs, 8 outputs) This will all depend on what cards you decide work best for you. Instead of using the standard Analog input card, I would suggest getting the Mic Input card. Then you can always use it as a simple mixer if you need something small.

Costs wise, the Netmax seems pretty expensive until you realize its potential and size. A Netmax loaded with 4 cards will be just under 4k, but if you wanted to do the same amount of inputs/outputs using DX46 controllers you would spend more and need twice the number of spaces in your racks. If you decide on another route, like XTA, KT, you can always have EV assist you in getting the correct settings in the controller for your set up. We have helped other people get EV settings into their non-EV controllers for their non EV amps. If you end up needing some help in that area let me know. [email protected]
 
Re: Looking for speaker processor options prefer 4 x8 , or EV factory setting capable

Xilica has some nice units that won't break the bank. I have heard one in action and was pretty impressed. - Xilica
 
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Re: Looking for speaker processor options prefer 4 x8 , or EV factory setting capable

I'm looking at the ev processors, and I'd prefer something more modular so I could break up my monitor racks in the future etc...
so no netmax....

are there XW presets for these processors?
Opinions on the following please...

DX38 (too old ?, is there a viable control software, no 31 band eq) pluses ( 2x4 configuration, cheap) - are there XW presets for this processor?

DC-one (newer, 31 band eq) 2 x 6 configuration, reasonable price

DX-46 ( newer, FIR filters) 2 x 6 configuration, more expensive...

Might be a stupid question, but can someone "dumb down" the difference between a processor with and without FIR processing. is it worth the extra coin for that feature ?

thanks
 
Re: Looking for speaker processor options prefer 4 x8 , or EV factory setting capable

The dx38 is a little long in the tooth. The only pc connection is RS232 or (if you can find modules) RS485. The DC-One and DX46 have RJ45 and USB. We just got a couple DX46s. I didn't do any measurement, but there is a big difference in the consistency across the pattern...meaning it sounds the same off axis as it does on axis.
If you have other boxes for which EV has FIR processing, it may be worth it, but if you're just using it for monitors, probably not. A new DC-one won't cost much more than used DX38.
 
Re: Looking for speaker processor options prefer 4 x8 , or EV factory setting capable

Shane Presley said:
I'm looking at the ev processors,
are there XW presets for these processors?
Opinions on the following please...
thanks
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As far as I know, ALL the EV preset information is accurately transferred as one-to-one data across all their processors (within the limits of the functions in the processor, of course-- for instance, no FIR in the DC-one). So, if the preset exists for one processor, it exists for all. You may have to transfer the settings by hand (not all use the same interface, or software), but the preset data will be correct. This is not necessarily true for other manufacturers.
It's even, in theory, possible to construct 'proper' presets for combinations of EV cabinets that never had a 'factory' preset by extracting data from 2 presets & melding it, although this is a little complicated and involves several pieces of software (and it may suffer from anomalies due to crossover frequencies, out-of-band combining, etc.).


EV is very helpful in 'porting' their recommended presets to non-EV processors for serious users (and I'd guess your quantity of XW wedges would qualify), IF they have the processor you're using in their lab. It's less likely to happen for an older processor, or a less common brand. They should have DN9848 settings ready to go for you, since KT was tied to EV pre-Bosch.
I've used the DC-One on a number of projects, and it's a very capable processor with some quirky user-interface choices, and a great set of features. Once you get a grip on the (couple of) quirks, I think you'd like it. The price is attractive.
I found 'talking' to the DN9848 via laptop to be an incredible pain in the butt, and talking to a system of several DN9848s linked was way beyond a pain in the butt. I'm sure others find it easy, but I found it so frustrating that I vowed never to use them again unless a client insisted.
Kent Elliott
 
Re: Looking for speaker processor options prefer 4 x8 , or EV factory setting capable

All of the EV preset information is available for DX-38 and DC one, but like Kent said...you would have to manually enter the data into the unit, but they do actually have those values. If you tell them what amps you are powering your amps with they can usually assist you in setting up the proper limiter values.

As far as a quick answer on the comparisons between FIR and non FIR filters: The FIR filters have steeper slopes which will create less distortion and more output. They also allow more EQ capacity, which will allow for a better tuned preset. The FIR filters will also provide a better Linear phase response which will make the monitor more stable with feedback, improved gain before feedback , and they will sound more similar across the stage. The limiters are much better as well due to the FIR filters. Are they worth the added costs? Well that is a personal choice. The difference in our Xlc and X-Line rigs from the old non-FIR preset to the current FIR preset is night and day, and in my view worth every dollar, but some may rather spend those dollars in other places.

I loaded each preset into one of our TG-7s and below is what they would each look like to give you an idea of the slope difference.

Here is what a IIR filter for the XW15a looks like

Xw15 IIR settings.jpg

Here is what a FIR filter for the Xw15a looks like

Xw15 FIR settings.jpg
 
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