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Re: Marines urinate on dead Taliban

Hello,

   There's plenty of blame to go around.

   The Koran should have not been burnt; they are to be buried when no longer useful. This important point was overlooked, or ignored by those Military leaders in charge of this prison. If one is to "win the hearts and minds" and all that other BS... then, respecting the home team's religious practices (especially in this instance) should've been a priority.

Also, an investigation should have been made into who/when these supposed messages, and threats were written into these Korans. As defacing a Koran is considered an offense punishable by death, the Military should have used this Islamic Law to prosecute those that are found guilty (with the help of local Imams).

History has shown that a Military force cannot beat the home team into a lasting submission. It will work for a brief period when they are demoralized by defeat, but then, those defeated will gain another sense of purpose, a renewed determination to self governing. This "oppressor" will be the rallying point for those inhabitants that could not previously agree on anything.

   The only two options for a Foreign Military intending to rule another Nation is to either kill all of the inhabitants or leave.

   You question our outrage at Marine's shameful actions? Of Marines being not fit to represent the Uniforms they wear? The last I recall, a Marine had to earn the right to wear his uniform, he took an oath, and that oath implied that he would represent the United States, that he would act only under the Marine Code.

   It is terrible that any of our Soldiers are killed, I think it is past the time to bring them all home. This is not a war to be won, there is no winning in this Country, especially when their new leadership do not want us there. Their people do not want us there, for political and religious reasons.

   It is terrible when our Soldiers continue to make "mistake" after "mistake". I blame poor Military leadership, poor Political planning, and the resentment of having to be somewhere that these Soldiers, in their hearts, know is a waste of time, money, and American Lives. The resentment and anger is showing, as it had shown in Iraq.

I don't believe that there is any hypocrisy, as the two incidents that you wrote of are not related.   Pissing on a corpse is a punishable offense in this Country. The Soldiers should be punished. The afghan soldier that killed the two Americans should be punished, as I'm sure he will.

I will agree with you in regards to lack of outrage from our Elected Officials...where is their outrage? They should be outraged that we still have American Soldiers IN afghanistan.   History will show this farse as nothing less than a waste of American money and Lives.

   Hammer

<blockquote data-quote="Charlie Zureki" data-source="post: 48594" data-attributes="member: 153">Re: Marines urinate on dead Taliban&nbsp;Hello,&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; There&#039;s plenty of blame to go around.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The Koran should have not been burnt; they are to be buried when no longer useful. This important point was overlooked, or ignored by those Military leaders in charge of this prison.&nbsp; If one is to &quot;win the hearts and minds&quot; and all that other BS... then, respecting the home team&#039;s religious practices (especially in this instance) should&#039;ve been a priority. &nbsp; &nbsp; Also, an investigation should have been made into who/when these supposed messages, and threats were written into these Korans.&nbsp; As defacing a Koran is considered an offense punishable by death, the Military should have used this Islamic Law to prosecute those that are found guilty (with the help of local Imams). &nbsp; &nbsp; History has shown that a Military force cannot beat the home team into a lasting submission. It will work for a brief period when they are demoralized by defeat, but then, those defeated will gain another sense of purpose, a renewed determination to self governing. This &quot;oppressor&quot; will be the rallying point for those inhabitants that could not previously agree on anything. &nbsp;&nbsp; The only two options for a Foreign Military intending to rule another Nation is to either kill all of the inhabitants or leave.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; You question our outrage at Marine&#039;s shameful actions?&nbsp; Of Marines being not fit to represent the Uniforms they wear? The last I recall, a Marine had to earn the right to wear his uniform, he took an oath, and that oath implied that he would represent the United States, that he would act only under the Marine Code. &nbsp;&nbsp; It is terrible that any of our Soldiers are killed, I think it is past the time to bring them all home.&nbsp; This is not a war to be won, there is no winning in this Country, especially when their new leadership do not want us there.&nbsp; Their people do not want us there, for political and religious reasons. &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; It is terrible when our Soldiers continue to make &quot;mistake&quot; after &quot;mistake&quot;.&nbsp; I blame poor Military leadership, poor Political planning, and the resentment of having to be somewhere that these Soldiers, in their hearts, know is a waste of time, money, and American Lives.&nbsp; The resentment and anger is showing, as it had shown in Iraq.&nbsp; &nbsp; I don&#039;t believe that there is any hypocrisy, as the two incidents that you wrote of are not related.&nbsp;&nbsp; Pissing on a corpse is a punishable offense in this Country.&nbsp; The Soldiers should be punished.&nbsp; The afghan soldier that killed the two Americans should be punished, as I&#039;m sure he will. &nbsp; &nbsp; I will agree with you in regards to lack of outrage from our Elected Officials...where is their outrage?&nbsp; They should be outraged that we still have American Soldiers IN afghanistan.&nbsp;&nbsp; History will show this farse as nothing less than a waste of American money and Lives.&nbsp;&nbsp; Hammer</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Charlie Zureki, post: 48594, member: 153"] Re: Marines urinate on dead Taliban Hello, There's plenty of blame to go around. The Koran should have not been burnt; they are to be buried when no longer useful. This important point was overlooked, or ignored by those Military leaders in charge of this prison. If one is to "win the hearts and minds" and all that other BS... then, respecting the home team's religious practices (especially in this instance) should've been a priority. Also, an investigation should have been made into who/when these supposed messages, and threats were written into these Korans. As defacing a Koran is considered an offense punishable by death, the Military should have used this Islamic Law to prosecute those that are found guilty (with the help of local Imams). History has shown that a Military force cannot beat the home team into a lasting submission. It will work for a brief period when they are demoralized by defeat, but then, those defeated will gain another sense of purpose, a renewed determination to self governing. This "oppressor" will be the rallying point for those inhabitants that could not previously agree on anything. The only two options for a Foreign Military intending to rule another Nation is to either kill all of the inhabitants or leave. You question our outrage at Marine's shameful actions? Of Marines being not fit to represent the Uniforms they wear? The last I recall, a Marine had to earn the right to wear his uniform, he took an oath, and that oath implied that he would represent the United States, that he would act only under the Marine Code. It is terrible that any of our Soldiers are killed, I think it is past the time to bring them all home. This is not a war to be won, there is no winning in this Country, especially when their new leadership do not want us there. Their people do not want us there, for political and religious reasons. It is terrible when our Soldiers continue to make "mistake" after "mistake". I blame poor Military leadership, poor Political planning, and the resentment of having to be somewhere that these Soldiers, in their hearts, know is a waste of time, money, and American Lives. The resentment and anger is showing, as it had shown in Iraq. I don't believe that there is any hypocrisy, as the two incidents that you wrote of are not related. Pissing on a corpse is a punishable offense in this Country. The Soldiers should be punished. The afghan soldier that killed the two Americans should be punished, as I'm sure he will. I will agree with you in regards to lack of outrage from our Elected Officials...where is their outrage? They should be outraged that we still have American Soldiers IN afghanistan. History will show this farse as nothing less than a waste of American money and Lives. Hammer [/QUOTE]

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