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<blockquote data-quote="Peter Morris" data-source="post: 56542" data-attributes="member: 652"><p>Re: Midas Pro 1</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Hi JR,</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Making the mic-pre and signal chain "soft-clip" is what most people believe is "headroom" in the mic-pre; and its one of the reasons why everyone loved old Midas consoles, they were very forgiving to mix on. </span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">One of my friends described the difference between mixing on a Profile and a H3000 like trying to drive a car between two posts. With the Profile the posts are about 10ft wide, on the Midas about 25ft wide.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">To me the whole mic-pre debate is about 98% B.S. .... If the input is not being overdriven, and the signal chain is not clipped; I cannot hear the difference between most mic pres in 2012, they are all good.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">When I listen to a PA system, I am hearing the whole signal chain (+ the speakers). In the analogue world, “the sound” is a function of the mic-pres, PEQ, summing busses and the output drive circuits etc. (+ the spekars)</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">From my experience most of the clipping / overloads occurs at the summing amps. I have also seen some of the early Soundcrafts' op-amps current limiting in the channel strip because the impedance of the aux send bus was too low. In the digital world all the A/Ds and D/As and the algorithms that determine the PEQ …etc all contribute to "the sound". </span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Suggesting, as many people seem to, that it is all to do with the mic-pres is silly, there are sooo many other bits of electronic stuff in the signal chain between the mic pre and the output that can have an impact.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">I just love those trade shows where some guy comes along and asks the sales rep about the mic-pres on some new digital board, to which the rep responds they are wonderful, better than the best thing - blah- blah - blah and they nod at each other ... and neither one of them would have a clue about the design or attributes of a good mic-pre.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'">Soooo to my point – I think Midas are correct with this approach,</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"> it will help them sell desks. ;o)</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'">Peter</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Peter Morris, post: 56542, member: 652"] Re: Midas Pro 1 [FONT=tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Hi JR,[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Making the mic-pre and signal chain "soft-clip" is what most people believe is "headroom" in the mic-pre; and its one of the reasons why everyone loved old Midas consoles, they were very forgiving to mix on. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]One of my friends described the difference between mixing on a Profile and a H3000 like trying to drive a car between two posts. With the Profile the posts are about 10ft wide, on the Midas about 25ft wide.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]To me the whole mic-pre debate is about 98% B.S. .... If the input is not being overdriven, and the signal chain is not clipped; I cannot hear the difference between most mic pres in 2012, they are all good.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]When I listen to a PA system, I am hearing the whole signal chain (+ the speakers). In the analogue world, “the sound” is a function of the mic-pres, PEQ, summing busses and the output drive circuits etc. (+ the spekars)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]From my experience most of the clipping / overloads occurs at the summing amps. I have also seen some of the early Soundcrafts' op-amps current limiting in the channel strip because the impedance of the aux send bus was too low. In the digital world all the A/Ds and D/As and the algorithms that determine the PEQ …etc all contribute to "the sound". [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Suggesting, as many people seem to, that it is all to do with the mic-pres is silly, there are sooo many other bits of electronic stuff in the signal chain between the mic pre and the output that can have an impact.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]I just love those trade shows where some guy comes along and asks the sales rep about the mic-pres on some new digital board, to which the rep responds they are wonderful, better than the best thing - blah- blah - blah and they nod at each other ... and neither one of them would have a clue about the design or attributes of a good mic-pre.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][FONT=tahoma]Soooo to my point – I think Midas are correct with this approach,[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=tahoma] it will help them sell desks. ;o) Peter[/FONT] [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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