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<blockquote data-quote="Peter Morris" data-source="post: 56715" data-attributes="member: 652"><p>Re: Midas Pro 1</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'">I guess what I’m suggesting is that there are quite a few people that do not understand gain structure … that simple.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">What I have seen happen is engineers “slam”, the mic-pre’s hard - as one heavy metal engineer described it to me. He then went on to say you can’t do that on an Allen Heath because the mic-pres don’t have headroom like the Midas. (Translated – they clip square not soft).</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">What’s happening is the mic-pre is taking off all the transient peaks without being too noticeable. The signal then goes into the channel VCA (dbx2150) which when driven hard can produce some “nice” distortion. The VCA masters are run at about -10 to -15 dB … so all’s well at the summing amp.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">If you did this with a non VCA, non soft-clip desk such as an Allen & Heath GL4000, you would hear the mic-pre clip, and running the subgroups down -10 to -15dB would not prevent the summing amps (sub-group) from clipping.... and it sounds awful.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Run the GL4000 with the correct gain structure you will probably find its distortion levels are less than the Midas.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Peter</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Peter Morris, post: 56715, member: 652"] Re: Midas Pro 1 [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Calibri][FONT=tahoma]I guess what I’m suggesting is that there are quite a few people that do not understand gain structure … that simple. [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]What I have seen happen is engineers “slam”, the mic-pre’s hard - as one heavy metal engineer described it to me. He then went on to say you can’t do that on an Allen Heath because the mic-pres don’t have headroom like the Midas. (Translated – they clip square not soft). [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]What’s happening is the mic-pre is taking off all the transient peaks without being too noticeable. The signal then goes into the channel VCA (dbx2150) which when driven hard can produce some “nice” distortion. The VCA masters are run at about -10 to -15 dB … so all’s well at the summing amp. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]If you did this with a non VCA, non soft-clip desk such as an Allen & Heath GL4000, you would hear the mic-pre clip, and running the subgroups down -10 to -15dB would not prevent the summing amps (sub-group) from clipping.... and it sounds awful. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]Run the GL4000 with the correct gain structure you will probably find its distortion levels are less than the Midas. Peter[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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