My Mixer Problem

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yigit demirel

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Is there any mixer out there which lets me control my DAWs as a midi controller with its motorized faders and also at the same time that has inputs which I could plug my hardware sound modules and synths into it?

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mesaphlin
 
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Chris Nixon said:
I think the X32 will do this, but only the 8 faders to the right will do DAW control.

There will be others, I think an O1V can do it too.

Chris
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The Yamaha stuff does not natively function as a recording interface without an MY card, though the CL series can probably do it over Dante. Most every digital console has MIDI implemented in some shape or form.

My vote is on the X32.
 
Silas Pradetto said:
The Yamaha stuff does not natively function as a recording interface without an MY card, though the CL series can probably do it over Dante. Most every digital console has MIDI implemented in some shape or form.

My vote is on the X32.
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The I version of the 01v can go to a DAW via USB. It comes packaged with a "light" version of cubase but can be recognized by other programs.
 
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Okay...

Is it possible to record some parts of a musical piece with only the 8 motorized faders to the right on the X32 and then stop the DAW and select another 8 faders to record more and with this technique record as many as I want on a DAW with X32?
 
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You can record 32 sources (channel inputs or bus outputs for instance). And you can control at the same time 8 DAW channels. The DAW remote function only disables the right fadergroup on the right side of the mixer for other functions.
 
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I see...!!!

Well, I thought about my studio a little bit and I came across with this plan...:

(1) MAC PRO

(2) UNIVERSAL AUDIO APOLLO 16 SOUND CARD

(3) BEHRINGER X32 DIGITAL MIXER

(4) MACKIE MCU PRO Controller + Extender + Plug-in Control

(5) ROLAND INTEGRA-7 SOUND MODULE

(6) SOME SYNTHESIZERS SUCH AS DRUM MACHINES ALSO

(7) AKAI EWI 4000s WIND CONTROLLER

(8) MIDI KEYBOARD

(9) SOME DAWS ( Propellerheads' Reason, Ableton Live, Logic Pro... etc.)

So my question is like this...:

Can I hook up...:

UNIVERSAL AUDIO APOLLO 16 SOUND CARD into MAC PRO

MACKIE MCU PRO Controller + Extender + Plug-in Control into UNIVERSAL AUDIO APOLLO SOUND CARD

BEHRINGER X32 DIGITAL MIXER into UNIVERSAL AUDIO APOLLO SOUND CARD

ROLAND INTEGRA-7 SOUND MODULES' 8 outputs into BEHRINGER X32's 8 INs

AKAI EWI 4000s WIND CONTROLLER into either BEHRINGER or UNIVERSAL AUDIO APOLLO 16 SOUND CARD

OTHER SYNTHESIZERS such as hardware drum machines into BEHRINGER X32 DIGITAL MIXER

AND MIDI KEYBOARD into UNIVERSAL AUDIO APOLLO 16 SOUND CARD

-.--.-.-.---.--.-...-.-.-.-.-.--.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.--.-.-.-.-..-.-.-...-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.

So, my plan is that use the MACKIE MCU PRO with the DAWS and HARDWARE STUFF with the BEHRINGER X32.

Will it work?

Best Regards

Yigit
 
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I'd say that it sort of defeats the purpose of getting aX32 if you are getting the Mackie surface and the Apollo interfaces.
The X32 doesn't have direct analogue outputs after the preamps, so you can't use it for feeding the Apollo, you'll need some preamps for that.
If you are happy with 44.1/48 kHz, then get the X32 and a good midi interface and forget about the Apollo and the Mackie.
If you need to record at higher sampling rates, go with the Mackie and the Apollo and get some nice preamps.
 
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Per Søvik said:
If you are happy with 44.1/48 kHz, then get the X32 and a good midi interface and forget about the Apollo and the Mackie.
If you need to record at higher sampling rates, go with the Mackie and the Apollo and get some nice preamps.
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Could you please give me some names of the good midi interfaces with motorized faders and some nice preamps if I may ask?

Also, I want to hook up the Roland Integra-7 Sound module into a mixer with its 8 outputs which I thought that I could hook it up into X32. But Mackie does not have analogue inputs. So I thought Mackie is for only DAWs like Ableton Live Propellerheads' Reason and X32 for Roland Integra-7 and other hardware synths into DAWs.

How am I gonna solve this problem?
 
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yigit demirel said:
Could you please give me some names of the good midi interfaces with motorized faders
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I have used stuff from JL Cooper for network and serial connected motorized fader packs, I understand they are pretty good with making MIDI work, too.
JLCooper Electronics - Control, Automation, Synchronization and Interfacing Products

yigit demirel said:
and some nice preamps if I may ask?
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While I've not used them before, I understand that Benchmark makes some pretty good preamps and it looks like they may also make some computer interfaces, too. I'd check them out if I were you.
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yigit demirel said:
How am I gonna solve this problem?
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I have no idea how you are going to solve any of this, I'm just recommending things I've used and things I've heard about from people I trust.

Good luck with all this!
 
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yigit demirel said:
Could you please give me some names of the good midi interfaces with motorized faders and some nice preamps if I may ask?

Also, I want to hook up the Roland Integra-7 Sound module into a mixer with its 8 outputs which I thought that I could hook it up into X32. But Mackie does not have analogue inputs. So I thought Mackie is for only DAWs like Ableton Live Propellerheads' Reason and X32 for Roland Integra-7 and other hardware synths into DAWs.

How am I gonna solve this problem?
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I can't really recommend anything because I've hardly used any of the stuff myself, so I'll leave particular recommendations to others.

However, let us start with the basics. What are you planning to do in terms of recording? Is it mainly synths and midi messages and very few microphones and other equipment in need of preamps?

Why do you want a Mackie controller with extender? Is it primarily for mixdown?
Why do you want the Apollo interface? Is it because of sample rate? What were you planning to plug into it?

Assuming you want to record anything as long as the is analogue, you want to monitor during recording, and you want to mixdown in a daw, using real faders to control the daw. You can do all of this with the X32, and you don't need anything else.

Assuming you want to record midi from a keyboard and a wind controller, you might need a good midi interface with multiple midi inputs or a couple of low cost interfaces that are able to coexist. There are plenty to choose from, M-audio is a good place to start. Most midi keyboards will let you pass midi through it, so you might not need more than one interface, and since most keyboards also will do USB, you might not need a midi interface at all. You can not use the X32 as a Midi interface.

The integra can record sound directly to daw via usb (that will save unneccesary da-ad conversions), and it will work as a midi interface thru the usb connection.

So first of all, what specifically are you wanting to achieve with your setup?
 
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yigit demirel said:
Could you please give me some names of the good midi interfaces with motorized faders and some nice preamps if I may ask?

Also, I want to hook up the Roland Integra-7 Sound module into a mixer with its 8 outputs which I thought that I could hook it up into X32. But Mackie does not have analogue inputs. So I thought Mackie is for only DAWs like Ableton Live Propellerheads' Reason and X32 for Roland Integra-7 and other hardware synths into DAWs.

How am I gonna solve this problem?
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This is no easy thing to tell you how to design your studio. Go to your local music store and tell them your intention and ask them to specify your gear for your needs. After they've done that you can customize some single piece of gear and ask further questions here again...
 
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What are you planning to do in terms of recording? Is it mainly synths and midi messages and very few microphones and other equipment in need of preamps?
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Okay... Here is what I want to achieve with my setup...:

I would like to use Roland Integra-7 sound module as my main sound source. So I would like to record via using Integra-7 into a DAW ( Logic, etc...) with either Akai EWI 4000s Wind controller or a Midi Keyboard.

On the other, my 99% of my compositional tasks will be done via using DAWS such as Propellerheads' Reason, Ableton Live, Samples, etc...

I am also thinking about getting a KYMA Pacarana Sound Design Computer which is going to be no problem because I can use it with its own Software called Kyma X.

Other than that, I would like to add to my system a AKAI Renaissance and Native Instruments' Komplete 9 with Maschine - also - Arturia Spark hybrid drum machine and some other synthesizers such as Nord Lead etc...

Also I would like to add to my setup a Universal Audio Apollo 16 Sound card and its plug-ins to use them for instance when I am on Ableton Live and use Apollo 16's effects instead of other VSTs or AUs. And also after mixdown, I would like to master the tracks with its mastering effects.

So, the brain of this setup will be a mixer but I don't know either it will be a Behringer X32 or a MACKIE MCU PRO Controller or both?

I will need many faders because after first recording, I will use the motorized faders to change the volume anywhere I want on the song while it is on overdubbing recording. And the next time I play the recording, the places on the composition I overdubbed recording and changed the volume on them with faders will move ...

I hope I explained myself clearly.

Best Regards
 
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yigit demirel said:
So, the brain of this setup will be a mixer but I don't know either it will be a Behringer X32 or a MACKIE MCU PRO Controller or both?

I will need many faders because after first recording, I will use the motorized faders to change the volume anywhere I want on the song while it is on overdubbing recording. And the next time I play the recording, the places on the composition I overdubbed recording and changed the volume on them with faders will move ...
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While the X32 by itself will not replace a MCU Pro, there has been written some software that will allow it to emulate multiple Mackie controls and thus provide you with a full set of faders. There is also some hope/expectation that future firmware updates to the X32 will provide a fuller set of available controls. Have a look at x32user.net for some of the things that people are developing. A Mackie Pro does of course provide some stuff that are not available on the X32 in terms of transport control although a lot can be programmed into the user definable buttons.
Will you be happy with replacing the Mackie Pro with an X32? I think that is very much a question of taste and adaptability.

Since the Apollo have 16 line level inputs, I expect most of your input needs will be fulfilled in terms of ability to hook up your synths, but I also suspect that the X32 might be able to replace the Apollo and the Mackie.
Therefore, I would opt to go with the X32 and a four input midi and try out that setup if I was going to go the X32 route at all, you might find that the X32 (that you also can use for effects and mastering) along with a DAW and a midi interface actually fulfils all your needs.

I would be a bit sceptical about the X32 and Apollo audio interfaces coexisting on the same computer if recording through both at the same time. I'm not saying they won't, but until you've tried, you won't know. Having one system for recording and another for post-recording work seems cumbersome and a waste of money, and if I was convinced that I needed the Apollo, I would go that route exclusively.
 
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