NBA Playoffs: Dallas edition

Jack Arnott

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Wow, what a series. It takes the classic twists of each team making the adjustments from game to game to take an edge. Then with 4 minutes left in tonight's game, it is all Dallas. Dirk's offense, Shawn Marion's defense, and Jason Kidd's overall play was absolutely epic.

And will someone please, please, please give Jeff Van Gundy a coaching job, so he can hire Mark Jackson as an assistant and we will never, ever have to hear either one of them again on the TV. ('ceptiing maybe for post game comments.) Had to finally mute it got so bad tonight.

Dirk's square ups with intense pressure at 2.00, and 1:24 were a thing of beauty.

And Jason Kidd is not near as fast as he used to be, can't close on a ball like he did 10 years ago, but wow, just the consummate pro, and his defense has been stellar the whole post season.

Always more Stuart Scott for me. This is fun.

Regards, Jack
 
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Not to quibble with your version of events, but i watched that game too... The apparent adjustment to me was OK's James Harden fouling out with something like 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter. The Mavs went on something like a 15-2 run after that and continued that momentum to win in overtime.

The Mavs play was epic before Harden fouled out too, but it wasn't enough and they were on their way to losing by 10+ points because of OK dominating in the paint and out rebounding them. Before Harden fouled out the thunder were taking over 70% of their shots inside 15' and hitting over 50%. After he fouled out, they only tried 12% inside 15' and made 0%.

I am not trying to make out Harden (a bench player) as some kind of star, but he sure appeared to be pivotal in that one game's change in fortune, or that is one monumental coincidence.

The referees get partial credit for influencing outcome with foul calls, not that I accuse them of intentional manipulation. They have an even greater impact on the east coast series since they are more defensive minded, lower scoring games, so a few point swing is harder to overcome.

Dirk deserves all the accolades he gets, he is a monster offensive player and a 7 footer who can dribble. Jason Kidd is good for an old guard (late 30's), and Marion had a big game, but it may take more than that to win the whole enchilada. This is their year to win if they are ever going to do it. After last night I expect OK to be demoralized, while they shouldn't be, they had the Mavs on the ropes for almost the entire game. Unfortunately not the part that matters, the very end. The ability to close out games is one of the things experienced teams learn how to do, but coming back like that from 15 down with only 5 mins to play in a pivotal playoff game is extremely rare (if ever).

JR
 
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Not to quibble with your version of events, but i watched that game too...

OH, but please. That is one of the pleasures of sports, is arguing the unarguable.
Heard a great piece on the radio, probably about a month ago on "Speaking of Faith", with a conservative clergy man, and he was using sports as an example. Where you are never going to convince the other side, in his case to convince his friends that the Green Bay Packers winning the Super Bowl was not a good thing. That the Steelers should have won. But his point was that when you see that you can disagree, but have your point made, then when you take that to another more serious table, you can use the same format, not trying to change the other sides mind, but get them to see your points. (Already I ramble.)


The apparent adjustment to me was OK's James Harden fouling out with something like 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter. The Mavs went on something like a 15-2 run after that and continued that momentum to win in overtime.

The Mavs play was epic before Harden fouled out too, but it wasn't enough and they were on their way to losing by 10+ points because of OK dominating in the paint and out rebounding them. Before Harden fouled out the thunder were taking over 70% of their shots inside 15' and hitting over 50%. After he fouled out, they only tried 12% inside 15' and made 0%.

I am not trying to make out Harden (a bench player) as some kind of star, but he sure appeared to be pivotal in that one game's change in fortune, or that is one monumental coincidence.

I was referring to the changes the Thunder had made to get to the 15 point lead. And I was super impressed with how they kept pouring it on in the fourth quarter. Taking open shots early in the shot clock when they were open, being aggressive. The Durrant three off the offensive rebound was awesome. Playing to win, and not to not lose. Up till that point.

But the Mavericks never looked down. And there was too much emotion on the Thunder. Seffelosa's quadruple chest thump was a bit much.

I was also wondering as I watched, with the sound muted, if the flagrant foul had something to do with the Thunder's demise. Usually that pumps up the team that gets fouled, but not in this case. And that also happened about the same time as Harden fouling out. OKC never came in the paint again.

The referees get partial credit for influencing outcome with foul calls, not that I accuse them of intentional manipulation. They have an even greater impact on the east coast series since they are more defensive minded, lower scoring games, so a few point swing is harder to overcome.

Dirk deserves all the accolades he gets, he is a monster offensive player and a 7 footer who can dribble. Jason Kidd is good for an old guard (late 30's), and Marion had a big game, but it may take more than that to win the whole enchilada. This is their year to win if they are ever going to do it. After last night I expect OK to be demoralized, while they shouldn't be, they had the Mavs on the ropes for almost the entire game. Unfortunately not the part that matters, the very end. The ability to close out games is one of the things experienced teams learn how to do, but coming back like that from 15 down with only 5 mins to play in a pivotal playoff game is extremely rare (if ever).

JR

I'm giving Jason Kidd a lot more accolades than you are. The defense he has played on key players has been awesome. And his general knowing how things work, and how to win. He is quite over matched physically by Westbrook, but doing a lot more to make his team win.

On to Miami. Quite interesting the team that they have assembled. I mean more so than the big three, is the fact that Spoelstra has left the centers inactive, and they have no real point guard. That this has not left them vulnerable to the MVP (point guard) is amazing. Even more so that Labron was able to really shut Rose down in the fourth quarter. So, no loss to the Heat on defense, and only the one turnover bringing the ball up on offense.

I thought the missed free throws hurt Chicago. And Boozers flagrant foul was bad. Just poorly executed, because he should have been able to protect the basket, send Bosh to the line, without making it flagrant.

In general, I am amazed what passes for an open shot in the NBA. Basically means you are able to get your feet set. And how much different it is in terms of scoring. EG, one big play in the NFL is 7 pooints. But especially when it gets down to the post season and the competition is so much greater, and the stakes higher, one team can have lots of breaks, dominate in some areas, seemingly have an overall edge, and still have only a three point lead with two minutes to go.

Now the really important game. Not too many peeps have been showing up for our wed night game. Hope we get enough for at least three on three tonight. Don't miss you open corner shots.

Jack (has trouble to this day with his corner shots because our barn didn't have enough ceiling room on the baseline to shoot with the right arch) Arnott
 
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OH, but please. That is one of the pleasures of sports, is arguing the unarguable.

But the Mavericks never looked down. And there was too much emotion on the Thunder. Seffelosa's quadruple chest thump was a bit much.
There is much emotion in these playoff games. Experienced players channel it, and refs job is to keep it from getting out of hand.
I was also wondering as I watched, with the sound muted, if the flagrant foul had something to do with the Thunder's demise. Usually that pumps up the team that gets fouled, but not in this case. And that also happened about the same time as Harden fouling out. OKC never came in the paint again.
something happened that stopped their scoring inside.
I'm giving Jason Kidd a lot more accolades than you are. The defense he has played on key players has been awesome. And his general knowing how things work, and how to win. He is quite over matched physically by Westbrook, but doing a lot more to make his team win.
As we get older we must adjust our game for reality. Maybe you haven't had to yet? :-)

Jason Kidd is no fool, so he developed a credible three point shot, to compensate for his declining quickness that made it harder for him to get to the hole. Many people have already washed out of the game by his age but he is on his later chapters.
On to Miami. Quite interesting the team that they have assembled. I mean more so than the big three, is the fact that Spoelstra has left the centers inactive, and they have no real point guard. That this has not left them vulnerable to the MVP (point guard) is amazing. Even more so that Labron was able to really shut Rose down in the fourth quarter. So, no loss to the Heat on defense, and only the one turnover bringing the ball up on offense.
They seem to be figuring out their roles... James has risen up to embrace the old criticism that he couldn't close out games, and now is Mr. 4th quarter. He spends the first three quarters distributing the ball and getting everybody going, then he takes over when it matters. I was impressed by Wade's multiple shot blocks as the game was winding down. He was making a statement too.
I thought the missed free throws hurt Chicago. And Boozers flagrant foul was bad. Just poorly executed, because he should have been able to protect the basket, send Bosh to the line, without making it flagrant.

In general, I am amazed what passes for an open shot in the NBA. Basically means you are able to get your feet set. And how much different it is in terms of scoring. EG, one big play in the NFL is 7 pooints. But especially when it gets down to the post season and the competition is so much greater, and the stakes higher, one team can have lots of breaks, dominate in some areas, seemingly have an overall edge, and still have only a three point lead with two minutes to go.
I remain critical of the refereeing.. it seems half the time, the call is a make good for some earlier missed call, so not linear cause and effect. Funniest thing I heard was Reggie Miller, announcing the game, when Lebron got called for an offensive foul, and Reggie is right there "yeah look at that.. he fouled him". Reggie was one of the worst about offensive funny business on the court... it's all part of the game. I think we need a new kind of technical foul, for blatant flops. The acting out there sometimes can be embarrassing. I look forward to a hypothetical future where players wear pressure sensitive jerseys and computers call all the fouls. IMO too much subjective room for interpretation and in low scoring games it can make a big difference.
Now the really important game. Not too many peeps have been showing up for our wed night game. Hope we get enough for at least three on three tonight. Don't miss you open corner shots.

Jack (has trouble to this day with his corner shots because our barn didn't have enough ceiling room on the baseline to shoot with the right arch) Arnott

Funny lately we've been having too many peeps, but they thin out when games are on... My regular game is on thurs nights. We have a low ceiling on one end, but from the corners you are past the low ceiling obstruction so can pretty much throw up rainbows again if you want. I have to tell the newcomers who can't figure that out from observation, to go to the corner and wait for the ball if they can't shoot flat enough from above the key. We have to win on the low end first, to get to play from the good end. But it's all good...

JR
 
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Hello JR, (I get the feeling we are the only two NBAers here. )

Wow, what a series. 11 points differential in four games so far.
Jason Kidd's defense was again incredible tonight as he continues to take on the leagues elite at the age of 36.

DeWane Wade has been awesome.

Only saw the last 6 minutes of game three on Sunday because of work. My wife thought it was an excellent game also.

Hope you are enjoying it too.

Regards, Jack
 
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Yup, roundball is not getting much love, and if they go on strike next season it will get even worse, but that's life when you get paid to play kids games.
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It is rare to see two teams match up this well. It is a great series and you can even see the impact of coaching adjustments, not just individual efforts.

In a low scoring defensive series like this is am concerned that fans will be turned off, it's like the opposite of an all star game, and with the TV replays it becomes more and more apparent when the refs blow calls, that can make a bigger difference in low scoring games.

One painful example involving your man Kidd, was in game 3. He got his defender into the air, then moved into him to draw the three shot foul. A smart veteran play..... Unfortunately the video replay when they looked to see if his feet were set for a two or three point shot, clearly showed Kidd moving both feet (he travelled) to step into the path of the defender.... So instead of three free throws, it "should" have been a turnover where he lost the possession, but the refs are not allowed to change the call, just adjust for two or three points. The good news is it didn't change the outcome of that game, but as you noted the whole series has pretty much come down to the last shot every game. So calls and free throws do matter.

It is good (IMO) that so far I haven't seen any of the key players sit major minutes because of foul trouble, but the series isn't over.

It would make the games longer but I wouldn't mind more video reviews of contested calls, and I would like to see a new kind of technical foul for players who flop (pretend to be fouled hard when they weren't). Both teams invest too much energy into acting, trying to sell calls, they need to put that effort into refining their other skills. There's a fine line between a smart player and a slick player. It is not showing respect for the game or the audience when players try to gain unfair advantage by fraud.

I am rooting for Miami, but the Mavs refuse to stay down, so it's a coin toss from here. It is a great series and great basketball, but probably less appreciated by the unwashed public, as that 130 pt game in the earlier playoff rounds.

My regular pick-up game is thurs night so I predict the gym will clear out early...

enjoy...

JR
 
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And will someone please, please, please give Jeff Van Gundy a coaching job, so he can hire Mark Jackson as an assistant and we will never, ever have to hear either one of them again on the TV. ('ceptiing maybe for post game comments.) Had to finally mute it got so bad tonight.
Regards, Jack

Don't know about Van Gumby, but Mark Jackson just got a head coach job
 
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In a low scoring defensive series like this is am concerned that fans will be turned off, it's like the opposite of an all star game,

It would make the games longer but I wouldn't mind more video reviews of contested calls, and I would like to see a new kind of technical foul for players who flop (pretend to be fouled hard when they weren't). Both teams invest too much energy into acting, trying to sell calls, they need to put that effort into refining their other skills. There's a fine line between a smart player and a slick player. It is not showing respect for the game or the audience when players try to gain unfair advantage by fraud.

I am rooting for Miami, but the Mavs refuse to stay down, so it's a coin toss from here. It is a great series and great basketball, but probably less appreciated by the unwashed public, as that 130 pt game in the earlier playoff rounds.

My regular pick-up game is thurs night so I predict the gym will clear out early...

enjoy...

JR

Wow, another epic game. What you said. Great series, great basketball. (And ratings are up 15% from last year's Celtics Lakers,) I think reflecting that.

In fact, I can't remember a more compelling finals series. No off court distractions. Both coaches have their teams firmly grounded, and are making the right moves.
No excuses, just grind it out basketball. And I can't remember a series where it has been back and forth so much. No huge runs, just small ones to counter the others progress.

The constant domination of the Mavs in the final 5 minutes is a bit puzzling, but fun basketball to watch.

The last several shots tonight, there was no question, they all looked dead on even before they shot them.

And, on the local level, and more important to our well being, hope your game was fun tonight. Ours didn't happen for some reason last night.
So I rode my bike.

Regards, Jack
 
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Props to your boyz last night. They deserve to win the series. And once again "La Fraud" is a no show in the 4th. I freak'n love it
Peace
 
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Props to your boyz last night. They deserve to win the series. And once again "La Fraud" is a no show in the 4th. I freak'n love it
Peace
I was disappointed when Lebron left Cleveland, perhaps not quite as much as Cleveland was. Then I would have preferred him going to NY over Miami, but now that he's there, they have accomplished a lot for only one season playing together. I didn't even expect them to make it to the finals. The Mavs are playing stronger than I expected too.

"Le fraud" got a triple double last night so he was there and made an impact. He missed a few big shots in the 4th that could have turned the tide. He has always had the rap of not being able to close, and it looked like he was getting past that in his earlier series, but not last night. Both teams can't win. Mav's are looking pretty good to take one of two next games, but it will be war, just like the whole series.
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This is a good time to refresh my complaint about the NCAA single elimination playoffs. If the Heat/Mavs were playing single elimination one team would have won 3x and the other two times. A coin toss... I hate that college kids get their penultimate college career playoff defined by only one loss. While longer NCAA series might not attract as much gambling action, and be lousy TV (even more bad games) , the kids would get a fairer shot to succeed or fail.

JR
 
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Wow, another epic game. What you said. Great series, great basketball. (And ratings are up 15% from last year's Celtics Lakers,) I think reflecting that.
At least they broke 100 last night.... that should make a few more folks happy.
In fact, I can't remember a more compelling finals series. No off court distractions. Both coaches have their teams firmly grounded, and are making the right moves.
Very good coaching from both sides, but the Mavs execution was just a little crisper, while both had obvious lapses.

I am still a little distracted by the contract talks and looming strike, burt Stern is trying to keep it low key.
No excuses, just grind it out basketball. And I can't remember a series where it has been back and forth so much. No huge runs, just small ones to counter the others progress.

The constant domination of the Mavs in the final 5 minutes is a bit puzzling, but fun basketball to watch.
Fun for Mav's fans... :-(
The last several shots tonight, there was no question, they all looked dead on even before they shot them.
Some shots looked laser guided... like that one from half court.
And, on the local level, and more important to our well being, hope your game was fun tonight. Ours didn't happen for some reason last night.
So I rode my bike.
I got to play two pick-up games last night, but as I expected the crowd broke up early to go watch the real game. I lost both of my pick-up games too, so my night was complete. :-(

JR
Regards, Jack
 
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How's a little food for thought.
Stars in Crunch Time This Series
James Wade Nowitzki
Points 0 13 26
FG 0-7 5-8 8-12
Reb 0 3 7
Ast 2 0 1
+/- -13 -13 +15
>> Last 5 minutes, score within 5
It's not how you start...
 
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Nice comments after the game James. Bet ya Nike loved them too. lol

Congrats to the Mav's and Dirk. The team with more class did win. For once... lol
 
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I stopped watching after the game was determined... with a few minutes still on the clock. I could tell by the way the heat were playing that they had no chance. Did James show his ass after he lost? We forget that he's still just a young puke (with a lot of money and skills). They shouldn't have even made it to the finals with this instant team, let alone win the big show. They learned a lot this year and should come back stronger next year, might lose then too.

The Mavs deserved the win more this time, so this is all good (even though I was rooting for heat i was predicting mavs). I can't remember a series where the cumulative score of all the games together was so close (up to the last two games). Dirk and Kidd and Terry deserved their rings for a good and long careers. I am always disappointed when really good players retire without any jewelry (guys like Karl Malone, even Barkley) . This is often as much a matter of chance and circumstance, as individual talent or effort. How many rings does Robert Horry deserve?

I thought Chandler really made a difference inside for a young guy, he should have a good career ahead of him.

JR

PS Dirk's shot always "looks" ugly but it was looking ugly and not falling for a lot of last night's game... he made his shots in the 4th, and the rest of his team carried him despite his poor start.
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[edit] Well I tried to miss it but I couldn't... even the business news channel felt compelled to replay Lebron's comments. Yes, they were not very cool, but he is correct in his perception that many are rooting for him to fail. First for leaving Cleveland, then again for not going to NY or "insert your city here'. He needs to learn how to channel and use that anger, but he shouldn't be surprised. We have of long tradition of rooting against success and taking pleasure from other's failures. I repeat he is just a kid, which may explain but not excuse his comments. I predict he will try to apologize, but that will be too little too late and hard to do as effectively as he made himself look bad while in the spotlight.

BTW it was pretty hard to swallow listening to some business talking heads commenting on how Lebron should have scored more in the 4th qtr (duh). They wouldn't know a basketball if it bit them on the ass, the sports reporter in the group didn't say much because this is all pretty self explanatory.

The heat did not lose because of Lebron james alone, and Dallas didn't win because of Dirk alone. It takes a team effort including the bench and coaches and even fan energy.

Of course I could be wrong.
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