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<blockquote data-quote="Tim McCulloch" data-source="post: 47535" data-attributes="member: 67">Re: New outdoor stage laws?!?!In 90%+ of locales in the USA, there is not event licensing.&nbsp; Period.&nbsp; An amazing number of municipalities and most of the states do not require more than a sanitation permit.As you aren&#039;t replying under my post, I&#039;m not sure which one you&#039;re commenting on (waiting on coffee to brew....), but Things Are Very Different Here® with regards to events.&nbsp; Specifically regarding the Indiana State Fair, the event is run by an auxiliary unit of state government with scores of private contractors providing services on state-owned property.&nbsp; One would think the state to have a vested interest in the welfare of its citizens and visitors, but when it comes to concerts the &quot;show must go on&quot; mentality is what got people killed and injured, and that responsibility is with the State Fair official in charge.&nbsp; Rather than deal with liability that could reach into hundreds of US$millions, the state legislature previously created a law that specifically limited the ability of those injured by actions of state officials to sue for damages in excess of an arbitrary limit.&nbsp; Why exercise extreme caution if you can&#039;t lose your job or be held personally responsible, or cost the state huge settlements?&nbsp; I wish WE had that kind of immunity....I continue to assert that the primary cause of loss of life in this extraordinary (but predictable) weather event was not solely a matter of the materials, methods, execution or design of the roof structure but the weasel-ass bullshit &quot;leadership&quot; from the Fair officials.&nbsp; Was this structure built to design?&nbsp; Was the design adequate for the weather (based on historic conditions)?&nbsp; Those are the 2 primary questions on the production industry side that must be addressed, followed by &quot;how much over-design&quot; is seen as necessary if clients are to continue dodging their responsibilities to the public.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tim McCulloch, post: 47535, member: 67"] Re: New outdoor stage laws?!?! In 90%+ of locales in the USA, there is not event licensing. Period. An amazing number of municipalities and most of the states do not require more than a sanitation permit. As you aren't replying under my post, I'm not sure which one you're commenting on (waiting on coffee to brew....), but Things Are Very Different Here® with regards to events. Specifically regarding the Indiana State Fair, the event is run by an auxiliary unit of state government with scores of private contractors providing services on state-owned property. One would think the state to have a vested interest in the welfare of its citizens and visitors, but when it comes to concerts the "show must go on" mentality is what got people killed and injured, and that responsibility is with the State Fair official in charge. Rather than deal with liability that could reach into hundreds of US$millions, the state legislature previously created a law that specifically limited the ability of those injured by actions of state officials to sue for damages in excess of an arbitrary limit. Why exercise extreme caution if you can't lose your job or be held personally responsible, or cost the state huge settlements? I wish WE had that kind of immunity.... I continue to assert that the primary cause of loss of life in this extraordinary (but predictable) weather event was not solely a matter of the materials, methods, execution or design of the roof structure but the weasel-ass bullshit "leadership" from the Fair officials. Was this structure built to design? Was the design adequate for the weather (based on historic conditions)? Those are the 2 primary questions on the production industry side that must be addressed, followed by "how much over-design" is seen as necessary if clients are to continue dodging their responsibilities to the public. [/QUOTE]

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