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<blockquote data-quote="John Roberts" data-source="post: 74807" data-attributes="member: 126">Re: Not that anyone needed proof...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /> Caveat emptor bayy-bee.I recall bench testing a European competitor&#039;s powered mixer that my reps claimed had superior sound quality and was killing us at POS in stores in Europe. When the EQ was set flat, it had a dB or two of bass boost. It turns out they had (innocently?) used knobs who&#039;s cores were designed for vertical orientation but used on a horizontal layout (i.e. when set flat they were not centered). If the customers (and apparently my reps) think that is a better design, that&#039;s just serendipity. I suspect if the flat position was dialing in a few dB of bass cut, that innocent mistake would not have been accepted by the company.&nbsp; I don&#039;t believe in innocent mistakes, I have seen a number of similar design oversights that lead causal listeners (like at POS) to draw incorrect conclusions. But that&#039;s life in the trenches... I informed my reps but who knows how many dealers and customers believed the nonsense (apparently a bunch). I won&#039;t bore you with a long list.JRPS: I recall a very painful product transition for a high volume popular powered head, where we changed the gain pot law for better kill when turned down but it inadvertently ended up with a couple dB less gain at 12 o&quot;clock...&nbsp; Dealers and customers thought the new version had less power. We finally gave up arguing with the marketplace that the two heads had the same power (it was actually the same exact amp module). We tooled up a new pot with a gain taper that delivered similar gain at the defacto 12 o&#039;clock operating standard, so the new unit agreed with the old one, and the market finally accepted that the new amp had the same power.&nbsp; Silly but true story, perception is reality for the marketplace.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="John Roberts, post: 74807, member: 126"] Re: Not that anyone needed proof... :-) :-) Caveat emptor bayy-bee. I recall bench testing a European competitor's powered mixer that my reps claimed had superior sound quality and was killing us at POS in stores in Europe. When the EQ was set flat, it had a dB or two of bass boost. It turns out they had (innocently?) used knobs who's cores were designed for vertical orientation but used on a horizontal layout (i.e. when set flat they were not centered). If the customers (and apparently my reps) think that is a better design, that's just serendipity. I suspect if the flat position was dialing in a few dB of bass cut, that innocent mistake would not have been accepted by the company. I don't believe in innocent mistakes, I have seen a number of similar design oversights that lead causal listeners (like at POS) to draw incorrect conclusions. But that's life in the trenches... I informed my reps but who knows how many dealers and customers believed the nonsense (apparently a bunch). I won't bore you with a long list. JR PS: I recall a very painful product transition for a high volume popular powered head, where we changed the gain pot law for better kill when turned down but it inadvertently ended up with a couple dB less gain at 12 o"clock... Dealers and customers thought the new version had less power. We finally gave up arguing with the marketplace that the two heads had the same power (it was actually the same exact amp module). We tooled up a new pot with a gain taper that delivered similar gain at the defacto 12 o'clock operating standard, so the new unit agreed with the old one, and the market finally accepted that the new amp had the same power. Silly but true story, perception is reality for the marketplace. [/QUOTE]

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