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<blockquote data-quote="Ivan Beaver" data-source="post: 35345" data-attributes="member: 30">Re: Outdoor System under powered ?Note-the following is not trying to be ugly, but just to point out some of the sad truths.In most cases (except for the tech geek promoters), the promoter could care less about what dimmers were used or how they were used-they look at the overall result of the lighting look on the stage.Same thing for the PA, it doesn&#039;t matter to them how or where the processing is done, they are only concerned with is the band happy (enough) and did they get a showing at the gate for what it cost they in production costs.They way you stand out is not getting picky on gear, but rather on what your company can do better or make life easier for the promoter.&nbsp; And why the extra money is worth spending with you.You stated that you could have done the gig for less if you had brought out different gear.&nbsp; Then is it possible that you overestimated what was required for this particular gig?&nbsp; Maybe you should have given the promoter 2 bids.&nbsp; One for a basic system and then one with more whistles and bells and greater output.&nbsp; Let him choose.Then if he chooses a competitor who was priced around your cheap system, you can go back to him and explain how your cheap system would have been a better choice.Yes this kind of stuff is hard-I have had more than my share of gigs lost because they went with a lessor system, when I could have done it cheaper if I had known the actual requirements of the gig.&nbsp; The lighting of the National Christmas tree back in the late 80&#039;s is one that really sticks in my mind and ticks me off everytime I think about it.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ivan Beaver, post: 35345, member: 30"] Re: Outdoor System under powered ? Note-the following is not trying to be ugly, but just to point out some of the sad truths. In most cases (except for the tech geek promoters), the promoter could care less about what dimmers were used or how they were used-they look at the overall result of the lighting look on the stage. Same thing for the PA, it doesn't matter to them how or where the processing is done, they are only concerned with is the band happy (enough) and did they get a showing at the gate for what it cost they in production costs. They way you stand out is not getting picky on gear, but rather on what your company can do better or make life easier for the promoter. And why the extra money is worth spending with you. You stated that you could have done the gig for less if you had brought out different gear. Then is it possible that you overestimated what was required for this particular gig? Maybe you should have given the promoter 2 bids. One for a basic system and then one with more whistles and bells and greater output. Let him choose. Then if he chooses a competitor who was priced around your cheap system, you can go back to him and explain how your cheap system would have been a better choice. Yes this kind of stuff is hard-I have had more than my share of gigs lost because they went with a lessor system, when I could have done it cheaper if I had known the actual requirements of the gig. The lighting of the National Christmas tree back in the late 80's is one that really sticks in my mind and ticks me off everytime I think about it.:( [/QUOTE]

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