Power Distro units

Jimmy Hardin

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Hi, I am needing to know about Power distro units for my sound system.

1 Whats it used for ?
2 How to use it ?
3 when do i use it?
4 How to know if i got the right one for my system?

I am needing to also know if I can use it for this scenario:

Last week I was going to do a festival and there was only 110 volts coming into my system. Could i have used one for this show and gotten the full 120 that i needed? I am thinking that they are like a generator but only quieter. Am i right at all? I don't know a lot about the whole volts thing so my knowledge of it is very much lacking. So go gently on me. LOL
 
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Jimmy it all depends on what you are powering. A good place to start for weekend warriors is the power distribution series listed under articles of sound forums. Another thing you might want to look at is the guage of your extension cords. I would get rid of anything smaller than 12 awg. You can find this info on the actual cable. For longer cables 10awg isnt a bad way to go this way you minimize the amount of voltage drop on those long runs. 12 awg is good for 50 feet and less 10 awg is good for anything longer than 50 especially if you only have one circuit available.
 
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Hi Jimmy - I wrote a whole series on the basics of entertainment power.

Start here and work through the series: https://soundforums.net/content/2631-Understanding-Power-Consumption-Part

https://soundforums.net/content/2853-Power-Distribution-Part-1-Multiple-Ciruits
https://soundforums.net/content/2886-Power-Distribution-Part-2-The-Poor-Man-s-Distro
https://soundforums.net/content/3222-Power-Distribution-Part-3-Branch-Circuit-Distros
https://soundforums.net/content/1856-Basic-Receptacle-Testing

Briefly answering your last question, a power distro does not change the voltage coming into your system. 110V is on the low side of the nominal range, so if this was solid and not dipping much further, you were getting full power.

Also, power distros are like large power strips. They don't make power; they distribute it.

Read through the series and then check back and we can address more questions.
 
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Hi, I am needing to know about Power distro units for my sound system.

1 Whats it used for ?
2 How to use it ?
3 when do i use it?
4 How to know if i got the right one for my system?

I am needing to also know if I can use it for this scenario:

Last week I was going to do a festival and there was only 110 volts coming into my system. Could i have used one for this show and gotten the full 120 that i needed? I am thinking that they are like a generator but only quieter. Am i right at all? I don't know a lot about the whole volts thing so my knowledge of it is very much lacking. So go gently on me. LOL

Let's start with some questions you should have provided answers to already.

What IS your system? Are we talking a small club rig or a large concert system (Yeah I know it is not that-but just for example).

Why do you "need" 120V? Everything should work just fine off of 110V. Years ago 110V was the standard, then it crept up to 115, then to 117, and now 120V.

The voltage is limited by what is coming into the building-assuming you don't have losses across your cables.

There are ways to "make it up", but they can get expensive.
 
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1 Whats it used for ?
Power distro is used to take one large source of current and distribute it to multiple smaller branches of current. While you may have different voltages at each branch, a power distro does not CHANGE the voltage from what's available from the source.

2 How to use it ?
That's an open question. In short, connect source power to the input, then connect your devices to each of the outputs. It gets more tricky if you are dealing with multiple phases of power, and knowing how to wire it up. If someone does that for you, it's plug and play.

3 when do i use it?
Generally, you can find 20 amp power sources at the venue. If your system needs more than 20 amps, you can find multiple 20 amp circuits and divide your load across those circuits, or you can find one larger source of power and create your own distro. Eg, if you have 3 13 amp loads, you would need to find 3 20 amp circuits, or you could have one 40 amp circuit and distribute that load to each of the 3 circuits.

4 How to know if i got the right one for my system?
You'll know it's right if you have enough power for all of your gear to operate.

To your original question, no a power distro is nothing like a generator. A generator turns fuel into electricity. A battery and a generator are similar in that fact. Once you're out of fuel, you're out of power.

A power distro does not create power, nor does it regulate the voltage. What you are looking for is a voltage regulator. Voltage regulators examine the incoming voltage and then boost or buck the voltage so the result is your desired voltage. When the voltage is boosted, this is accomplished by increasing the load on the line, so the result could be breakers blowing sooner than you could expect. True high current voltage regulators are very expensive and heavy.

In the US, the standard service voltage is 120V, +- 5%. This means any voltage reading between 114 and 126 volts is considered completely normal. Short term and unusual spec tolerance is -8.3% to +5.8%. There is no solid definition of what short term or unusual are, but using that spec, an outlet that provides between 110 and 127 volts is considered operating within tolerance. That is the US national standard, but different regions may have differing standards.

Keep in mind that this is the service voltage. The NEC specifies that under load, a voltage drop of 5% is acceptable. That means that a source of 110 volts under load could read as low as 104.5 volts and still be considered within spec. When you get near the edges of spec, poorly designed gear may start to fail, so keep that in mind. Non static loads, such as amplifiers can put short term loads on a circuit that may be hard to meter, but the high load could create a voltage drop to below spec, causing other gear to shut down or fail. You can reduce voltage drop with high current by using heavier gauge cable.
 
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As Tim's articles will point out, at the JV level there are basically two kinds of "distros". One is colloquially called a "poor mans distro" (Tim may have even coined that term) and is for where you only have standard 110-120 outlets to work with. It's basic function is to tie the grounds on multiple power circuits together so that things plugged into the branches don't suffer from ground loop noise. It doesn't make any more power or improve the stability of it.
The second would be a proper small distro that takes higher power in and operates like an electrical sub-panel distributing it to multiple conventional 20A circuits and outlets. The most common JV system would have a 50A 240V "California" plug feeding a length of 4 conductor 6 gauge cable to a box having several circuit breakers and sets of outlets. Higher end systems involve independent conductors for each leg of 3 phase power, often at 100A which gets into really needing to know what you are doing. Done right this will give you more and more stable power than just running extension cords off of various outlets. And if you're running a large rig or lighting, it becomes part of the job.
However these are only useful if you have access to an outlet for them. The California plug is commonly used on generators and some venues will have them available. On the campus of the fairly large company I work for in my day job there are several scattered about for events they do. Another town in the area runs summer concerts on a downtown street and they have CA outlets at either end of the block they close off that I've used.
Sometimes there may be power there but not on a standard CA outlet. 2nd most common in some hotels would be a range or dryer plug which are 50 or 30A respectively. You can buy adapters to convert these to the CA plug but that won't make 50A out of a 30A range plug. From there it gets into power panels and various more flaky things that you really need to know what you're doing again.
Providing sound reinforcement is typically 30% trying to find enough electricity, 30% moving heavy things around, 30% winding up cables, and only 10% twisting knobs during a performance.
 
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As Tim's articles will point out, at the JV level there are basically two kinds of "distros". One is colloquially called a "poor mans distro" (Tim may have even coined that term) and is for where you only have standard 110-120 outlets to work with. It's basic function is to tie the grounds on multiple power circuits together so that things plugged into the branches don't suffer from ground loop noise. It doesn't make any more power or improve the stability of it.
The second would be a proper small distro that takes higher power in and operates like an electrical sub-panel distributing it to multiple conventional 20A circuits and outlets. The most common JV system would have a 50A 240V "California" plug feeding a length of 4 conductor 6 gauge cable to a box having several circuit breakers and sets of outlets. Higher end systems involve independent conductors for each leg of 3 phase power, often at 100A which gets into really needing to know what you are doing. Done right this will give you more and more stable power than just running extension cords off of various outlets. And if you're running a large rig or lighting, it becomes part of the job.
However these are only useful if you have access to an outlet for them. The California plug is commonly used on generators and some venues will have them available. On the campus of the fairly large company I work for in my day job there are several scattered about for events they do. Another town in the area runs summer concerts on a downtown street and they have CA outlets at either end of the block they close off that I've used.
Sometimes there may be power there but not on a standard CA outlet. 2nd most common in some hotels would be a range or dryer plug which are 50 or 30A respectively. You can buy adapters to convert these to the CA plug but that won't make 50A out of a 30A range plug. From there it gets into power panels and various more flaky things that you really need to know what you're doing again.
Providing sound reinforcement is typically 30% trying to find enough electricity, 30% moving heavy things around, 30% winding up cables, and only 10% twisting knobs during a performance.

My name is TJ, not Tim, and I didn't coin the term Poor Man's Distro, though it's as good a name as anything. "Super-Mega-Cheapo-Ground-Combiner-Doodad" is harder to say.
 
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Opps, I was thinking of Tim McCulloch. Not sure why. I think both of you have written some how-to articles on forums. But mea-culpa, the poor-man's-distro how to (and others) is yours.

It's Friday...
 
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I designed a couple of "rich man's / poor man's" distros that would feed from 2 separate circuits up to 30a each, keeping the neutrals isolated inside the chassis. One is 2 rack spaces with 30a twist receptacles, the other a single space with 20a edisons.
 

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Providing sound reinforcement is typically 30% trying to find enough electricity, 30% moving heavy things around, 30% winding up cables, and only 10% twisting knobs during a performance.

Steve, you're my new hero. You just summed up concisely what I've been trying to explain to musos and venue owners for years. This is my new sound guy mantra.
 
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Hi Jimmy - I wrote a whole series on the basics of entertainment power.

Start here and work through the series: https://soundforums.net/content/2631-Understanding-Power-Consumption-Part

https://soundforums.net/content/2853-Power-Distribution-Part-1-Multiple-Ciruits
https://soundforums.net/content/2886-Power-Distribution-Part-2-The-Poor-Man-s-Distro
https://soundforums.net/content/3222-Power-Distribution-Part-3-Branch-Circuit-Distros
https://soundforums.net/content/1856-Basic-Receptacle-Testing

Briefly answering your last question, a power distro does not change the voltage coming into your system. 110V is on the low side of the nominal range, so if this was solid and not dipping much further, you were getting full power.

Also, power distros are like large power strips. They don't make power; they distribute it.

Read through the series and then check back and we can address more questions.


Good articles!!!