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<blockquote data-quote="John Roberts" data-source="post: 96825" data-attributes="member: 126"><p>Re: Property Tax</p><p></p><p></p><p>It is debatable whether standardized test data is meaningless or whether it has been misused or ignored. I do not suggest that the teacher is the only variable controlling variable results. Judgement must be applied to use that data. I find that judgement sorely lacking, or else we would not be having this conversation. </p><p></p><p>We all have a stake in public education. I suspect a larger problem is that parents are not invested enough in their children's education. </p><p></p><p>I don't want to turn this into a book, but there have been reports of absolutely horrible behavior by students in classrooms showing disrespect toward teachers and the institution. Tolerating this leads to even more chaos and anarchy. Of course it is easier for me to whine about this than create discipline and good behavior in a classroom. Where are the parents to discipline unruly kids? Missing in action. </p><p></p><p>Piled higher and deeper... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile :-)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /> My brother has a PHD, I never had the discipline to stay between the lines that long. </p><p></p><p>My informal study of economics teaches me to be cautious of conclusions that don't control for all variables. Many foreign school systems that are held up as shining examples of success enjoy far stronger cultures that value education, and often enjoy a more homogeneous student population, both strong impacting factors. Education as a profession or activity is thousands of years old, and not a hugely complex concept. I suspect the social/cultural issues are more problematic than coming up with a worthwhile curriculum, or teaching receptive students. </p><p></p><p>The old complaint of being able to lead a horse to water, but not being able to make them drink is as true today as ever. I repeat we need to collectively come up with a solution or suffer together. I meet some young kids who are bright and thirsty for information, I suspect you meet more who aren't. </p><p></p><p>Good luck. </p><p></p><p>JR</p><p></p><p>PS; I have done my share of teaching classrooms full of adults for seminars, and even they need to be inspired or entertained to pay attention. I have probably done far more one on one instruction in the course of my career, and I get angry when a subordinate doesn't even try to retain what I tell them. I made one junior technician write down what I told him in a notebook, and refused to answer the same question twice. He apparently though bosses liked to be asked what to do all the time... He didn't last very long with me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Roberts, post: 96825, member: 126"] Re: Property Tax It is debatable whether standardized test data is meaningless or whether it has been misused or ignored. I do not suggest that the teacher is the only variable controlling variable results. Judgement must be applied to use that data. I find that judgement sorely lacking, or else we would not be having this conversation. We all have a stake in public education. I suspect a larger problem is that parents are not invested enough in their children's education. I don't want to turn this into a book, but there have been reports of absolutely horrible behavior by students in classrooms showing disrespect toward teachers and the institution. Tolerating this leads to even more chaos and anarchy. Of course it is easier for me to whine about this than create discipline and good behavior in a classroom. Where are the parents to discipline unruly kids? Missing in action. Piled higher and deeper... :-) My brother has a PHD, I never had the discipline to stay between the lines that long. My informal study of economics teaches me to be cautious of conclusions that don't control for all variables. Many foreign school systems that are held up as shining examples of success enjoy far stronger cultures that value education, and often enjoy a more homogeneous student population, both strong impacting factors. Education as a profession or activity is thousands of years old, and not a hugely complex concept. I suspect the social/cultural issues are more problematic than coming up with a worthwhile curriculum, or teaching receptive students. The old complaint of being able to lead a horse to water, but not being able to make them drink is as true today as ever. I repeat we need to collectively come up with a solution or suffer together. I meet some young kids who are bright and thirsty for information, I suspect you meet more who aren't. Good luck. JR PS; I have done my share of teaching classrooms full of adults for seminars, and even they need to be inspired or entertained to pay attention. I have probably done far more one on one instruction in the course of my career, and I get angry when a subordinate doesn't even try to retain what I tell them. I made one junior technician write down what I told him in a notebook, and refused to answer the same question twice. He apparently though bosses liked to be asked what to do all the time... He didn't last very long with me. [/QUOTE]
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