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<blockquote data-quote="harrybrilljr" data-source="post: 88849" data-attributes="member: 103">Re: SMAART Learning: Magnitude traces from room tuning - 2There is another thread where I posted a live average.&nbsp; You can find it searching my posts,...there aren&#039;t that many.&nbsp; That&#039;s pretty close to how I walk away from my tuning job with everything on.&nbsp; The haystack sounds cool but it&#039;s got lots of issues.&nbsp; If you are mixing a band and have a real desk you don&#039;t need it.&nbsp; That&#039;s what those EQ knobs on each channel are for.&nbsp; I do prefer the subs on a separate send but I do not use the send as an EQ knob.&nbsp; Once it&#039;s tuned it&#039;s set and forget.Now when I am doing corpie gigs and I only have playback sources going to subs, and likely do not have a decent desk, I haystack the subs depending on the situation (room, pa).&nbsp; I will say some of those guys that haystack the subs (and if ((when)) I did it, it would be 12-24dB) do not have any more energy coming out of the PA at those frequencies than I do, they just did it at a different place in the path between mic and speaker.&nbsp; My board recordings sound better.&nbsp; My console reflects my mix.&nbsp; If I have a neutral PA day after day my mix will translate from one brand to the next.&nbsp; I have made my living for many years now by making pleasant sounding PAs.&nbsp; Since the subs are on an AUX, any engineer may choose to goose them and haystack the rig.&nbsp; Part of the optimization is to make it harder for them to mess the crossover up when they do that.&nbsp; They are happy so I keep working.&nbsp; Now back to mixing.....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="harrybrilljr, post: 88849, member: 103"] Re: SMAART Learning: Magnitude traces from room tuning - 2 There is another thread where I posted a live average. You can find it searching my posts,...there aren't that many. That's pretty close to how I walk away from my tuning job with everything on. The haystack sounds cool but it's got lots of issues. If you are mixing a band and have a real desk you don't need it. That's what those EQ knobs on each channel are for. I do prefer the subs on a separate send but I do not use the send as an EQ knob. Once it's tuned it's set and forget. Now when I am doing corpie gigs and I only have playback sources going to subs, and likely do not have a decent desk, I haystack the subs depending on the situation (room, pa). I will say some of those guys that haystack the subs (and if ((when)) I did it, it would be 12-24dB) do not have any more energy coming out of the PA at those frequencies than I do, they just did it at a different place in the path between mic and speaker. My board recordings sound better. My console reflects my mix. If I have a neutral PA day after day my mix will translate from one brand to the next. I have made my living for many years now by making pleasant sounding PAs. Since the subs are on an AUX, any engineer may choose to goose them and haystack the rig. Part of the optimization is to make it harder for them to mess the crossover up when they do that. They are happy so I keep working. Now back to mixing..... [/QUOTE]

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