Log in
Register
Home
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
Featured content
New posts
New profile posts
Latest activity
News
Members
Current visitors
New profile posts
Search profile posts
Features
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search titles only
By:
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Install the app
Install
Reply to thread
Home
Forums
Pro Audio
Junior Varsity
Some thoughts on "mixing"
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Scott Bolt" data-source="post: 90870" data-attributes="member: 3950"><p>Re: Some thoughts on "mixing"</p><p></p><p>I am not suggesting that the guitar should stay at the same volume all night, or even for every song.... or even for every portion of a song.</p><p></p><p>What I am saying is that when you have a guy doing his own volume from stage, and you are stuck mixing from stage with adjustments only possible between songs ..... this is a problem.</p><p></p><p>If you have someone out front, they can adjust in real time, so this isn't as much of an issue.</p><p></p><p>It is difficult, if not impossible to get the proper input gain on a guitar player that changes his output from nearly inaudible, to blasting everyone off stage in a single song.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore, most guitar players aren't changing their volume knob in the interest of getting different tones out of their tube amp. They are doing it because they don't think they are loud enough in the mix. I have had this get totally out of hand (as I am sure you guys have as well). A decent 4x12 with a good tube amp (like my VHT) can blow the entire band away (and chase everyone out of a small to medium venue as well). You have to keep the stage volume under control to get a decent mix. This is nearly impossible when your lead player is fiddling with his knobs all the time.</p><p></p><p>Give me a single efx/preamp and a decent amp for a guitar and do the patches to the appropriate levels any day. Sure, there is nothing like a fender strat straight into a Fender tweed for clean tone, nor is there an equal for a Les Paul straight into a JCM900. It's not the nuances of guitar tone that makes a successful gig. It is the ability to mix it well that makes the biggest difference .... at least at my level guys.</p><p></p><p>Jay,</p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E">The problem is that the guitar player doesn't know how loud he sounds out in the audience. If you can just get the same volume and tone on a particular song every night, that would be good ..... but you can't (at least not easily) when they are "playing it by ear" on the volume knob.</span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E">You are correct that perhaps a bit of compression would tame things a little <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span><span style="color: #3E3E3E">True, but can the band set their own volume levels from stage accurately? Maybe it sounds perfect on stage, but not so good out front. I find this is particularly true of lead guitarist. The amp is generally behind them pointed at their knees. For them to hear it over the drums ..... it gets pretty loud <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scott Bolt, post: 90870, member: 3950"] Re: Some thoughts on "mixing" I am not suggesting that the guitar should stay at the same volume all night, or even for every song.... or even for every portion of a song. What I am saying is that when you have a guy doing his own volume from stage, and you are stuck mixing from stage with adjustments only possible between songs ..... this is a problem. If you have someone out front, they can adjust in real time, so this isn't as much of an issue. It is difficult, if not impossible to get the proper input gain on a guitar player that changes his output from nearly inaudible, to blasting everyone off stage in a single song. Furthermore, most guitar players aren't changing their volume knob in the interest of getting different tones out of their tube amp. They are doing it because they don't think they are loud enough in the mix. I have had this get totally out of hand (as I am sure you guys have as well). A decent 4x12 with a good tube amp (like my VHT) can blow the entire band away (and chase everyone out of a small to medium venue as well). You have to keep the stage volume under control to get a decent mix. This is nearly impossible when your lead player is fiddling with his knobs all the time. Give me a single efx/preamp and a decent amp for a guitar and do the patches to the appropriate levels any day. Sure, there is nothing like a fender strat straight into a Fender tweed for clean tone, nor is there an equal for a Les Paul straight into a JCM900. It's not the nuances of guitar tone that makes a successful gig. It is the ability to mix it well that makes the biggest difference .... at least at my level guys. Jay, [COLOR=#3E3E3E] The problem is that the guitar player doesn't know how loud he sounds out in the audience. If you can just get the same volume and tone on a particular song every night, that would be good ..... but you can't (at least not easily) when they are "playing it by ear" on the volume knob. You are correct that perhaps a bit of compression would tame things a little ;) [/COLOR][COLOR=#3E3E3E] [/COLOR][COLOR=#3E3E3E]True, but can the band set their own volume levels from stage accurately? Maybe it sounds perfect on stage, but not so good out front. I find this is particularly true of lead guitarist. The amp is generally behind them pointed at their knees. For them to hear it over the drums ..... it gets pretty loud ;) [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Home
Forums
Pro Audio
Junior Varsity
Some thoughts on "mixing"
Top
Bottom
Sign-up
or
log in
to join the discussion today!
